Babies Born Under Sugar Rationing Grew Into Adults With Lower Cancer Risk
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- News link: https://science.slashdot.org/story/26/08/19/0534224/babies-born-under-sugar-rationing-grew-into-adults-with-lower-cancer-risk
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> After the second world war, sugar remained rationed in Britain for several years. But in September 1953, rationing ended and people started eating a lot more sugar. Consumption nearly doubled. This meant that children born just a few months apart had very different levels of sugar exposure both in the womb and during early childhood. For [3]our study , we used data from over 64,000 people born in Britain between 1951 and 1956. Those born earlier spent a larger share of their first 1,000 days under sugar rationing, while those born later experienced progressively less of it.
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> [...] What is most surprising, however, is not the cancer results or the biological markers of ageing. It's how early-life sugar exposure continued to affect people's diets even 50 years later. We found that people who experienced sugar rationing early in life still consumed less sugar in adulthood, around age 50. They also ate less overall, and their diets were healthier and more diverse. This suggests that the level of sweetness people are exposed to very early in life may shape their taste preferences for a long time.
[1] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2610287123
[2] https://theconversation.com/babies-born-under-sugar-rationing-grew-into-adults-with-lower-cancer-risk-289873
[3] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2610287123
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My candy thermometer has "Hard Crack" on the scale, so this is clearly true.
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Funny! , where are my mod points when I need them.
A life without sugar (Score:4, Insightful)
Is not worth living.
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The question is rather how you weigh a life without sugar against a life with cancer?
Or, more precisely, a life with limited sugar against a life with a chance of cancer.
Re: A life without sugar (Score:3)
The only reason to live till your eighties is if you enjoy fishing. I hate fishing.
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Sugar is fine. Half the items in a grocery store having ingredient labels starting with "high fructose corn syrup" is not fine.
Re: A life without sugar (Score:2)
Sugar without accompanying fiber, like that found in fruit, is bad for you.
Sugar bad (Score:2)
And too much salt too. And generally, too much energy intake and low quality anything. That is about the extend of what nutritional sciences have in really reliable findings.
Re: Sugar bad (Score:2)
We have very reliable findings to suggest that limited energy intake is fatal.
Meanwhile... (Score:1)
Mum, born 1952, died aged 48 due to a massive sudden stroke
Dad, born 1948, died aged 67 from lung cancer (2 months after diagnosis)
Uncle, born 1954, still alive but has had skin cancer (successfully removed)
All were/are obese, albeit my dad ended up becoming bulimic a couple of years before he died which "solved" the problem in his view.
I'm glad the rest of their cohort seems to have done better though!
What about prenatal? (Score:1)
Since sugar passes to the fetus, I wonder if the scientists considered this also applies before birth.
Re: What about prenatal? (Score:2)
It's in the summary.
Nuclear weapons tests per annum (Score:1)
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-nuclear-weapons-tests
We can’t be rationing Death now. (Score:2)
> After the second world war, sugar remained rationed in Britain for several years. But in September 1953, rationing ended and people started eating a lot more sugar. Consumption nearly doubled.
Translation; Even after a World War decimated the population, the local government realized it still needed to maintain a proper death toll, because all governments on the planet hold an obvious-but-never-spoken responsibility of Resource Management, which a component of that responsibility is population control.
Sugar. Keeping populations in check since they took Pablo’s coke out of Cola.
(Difficult to believe? Explain why the “pyramid” of food America abused to kill millions every year
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rolls_eyes maybe_right(arg, arg);
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I don't often say this. But you're fucking retarded.
This is not surprising (Score:2)
Inflammation increases the risk of cancer, and sugar increases inflammation, so it's not too surprising.
sugar (Score:2)
Wasn't there a lot of rationing happening during this time. How does sugar stand out.
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Good point. Bacon, butter, and sugar were rationed first. Meat, tea, jam, biscuits, breakfast cereals, cheese, eggs, lard, milk, canned and dried fruit were all rationed afterwards to some degree.
Fresh fruit, vegetables were not rationed, although things like lemons and bananas were rare if any were available at all. Oranges were saved for pregnant women and children when available.
People were encouraged to, and did grow their own fruits and vegetables. Game like rabbits were not rationed, but during the wa
CINC (Score:2)
Correlation is not ..grw!!!!!
Most surprising? (Score:2)
I find it most surprising that they found the fact that sugar intake affects diet more surprising than it impacting cancer.
Dude. (Score:2)
Sweet.
Or (Score:2)
It suggests that people who learn good habits early tend to follow them for their entire lives.
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So the study does actually address that , and found that indeed people who didnt eat the sugar in those first 3 years tended to consume less later in life.
Annecdotally (which isnt evidence!) that rings true to me. My mother was pretty strict on no sugar and minimal salt (in the 1970s the thinking on salt linked it a lot closer to heart disease than current thinking does which has de-emphasized that a little), and nowdays I pretty much never put it in my food and shy away from sweet food, and use pretty mini
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> So the study does actually address that , and found that indeed people who didnt eat the sugar in those first 3 years tended to consume less later in life.
> Annecdotally (which isnt evidence!) that rings true to me.
Trying to head off the required Anecdotes are useless replies on slashdot, amirite? Actually, anecdotes aer the very bedrock of the scientific method, otherwise we'd all just pick completely random things when trying to solve problems. Like trying to go to the moon by researching dinosaurs. Anyhow, the standard slashdot Anecdotes are not evidence, and correlation is not causation memes on slashdot are amusing.
> My mother was pretty strict on no sugar and minimal salt (in the 1970s the thinking on salt linked it a lot closer to heart disease than current thinking does which has de-emphasized that a little),
We didn't have a lot of sugar when I was a kid either. Had a strange combo. My Mother was Italia
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Trouble with trying to run a study on the Amish is that their lifestyles are pretty significantly different all around. Comparing groups on either side of a hard dividing line (there was a study in the UK of shingles vaccines where over/under a certain age was a hard line in the sand) works well because the lifestyles of the population groups are basically the same.
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The question is, does sugar intake early in life shorten telemeres, or does having longer telemeres reduce the sweet tooth? (It seems likely that there's a genetic component to the length, so if the child has longer telemeres, the parents should, too, resulting in a more sugar free home environment.)
Re:Or (Score:5, Interesting)
"It suggests" if you ignore that their confounder control is terrible. First, sugar wasn't the only restricted food in post-war Britain - there was also rationing of eggs, butter, cheese and meats that ended during the same timeperiod. So you're not actually testing the effects of sugar consumption, now are you? Also, the early 1950s was a period of rapid change in the US, including the maturation and expansion of the NHS (founded in 1948), the introduction of new childhood vaccines, major environmental shifts (for example, the Great Smog of London in 1952 vs. the 1956 Clean Air Act). Saying "all changes = sugar" just based on birthdate seems absurd.
It's also worth mentioning that there's also survivorship bias - anyone who died before the study couldn't be enrolled, and there's also no actual linking to any maternal / childhood dietary logs. Also, the ratios of cancer differences they're describing aren't small, they're massive . Are we to attribute a lung cancer difference on the order of smoking vs. nonsmoking households as being to sugar, or due to, you know, smoking (or pollution) trends not accounted for in their cohort?
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> "It suggests" if you ignore that their confounder control is terrible. First, sugar wasn't the only restricted food in post-war Britain - there was also rationing of eggs, butter, cheese and meats that ended during the same timeperiod. So you're not actually testing the effects of sugar consumption, now are you?
While I share your skepticism, I'd love to read the exact study, and know that they attempted to force monovariant analysis on a multivariant situation. That would go a long way towards settling this.
> Also, the early 1950s was a period of rapid change in the US, including the maturation and expansion of the NHS (founded in 1948), the introduction of new childhood vaccines, major environmental shifts (for example, the Great Smog of London in 1952 vs. the 1956 Clean Air Act). Saying "all changes = sugar" just based on birthdate seems absurd.
But it isn't saying all changes are based on sugar. Maybe it's because they gave children a lot of Marmite on toast. 8^) It's just a study.
It would appear that you are suggesting that there might be a causal link between vaccines, clean air act (or whatever GB has for that) are creating this increase in can
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Oops! Sorry Rei - I posted before removing the last part of your post. Anyone reading should know that my post ends after
"So in the end, studies just do what studies do, which is show interesting avenues for research. That people believe a study is a fact is kind of a people problem, not a study problem."
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full text of a pre-print of the study is at [1]https://www.researchgate.net/p... [researchgate.net] to view or download
"Early-Life Sugar Restriction and Long-Term Risk of Cancer: A Natural Experiment Study in the UK"
[1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/397901359_Early-Life_Sugar_Restriction_and_Long-Term_Risk_of_Cancer_A_Natural_Experiment_Study_in_the_UK
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Is there a link where we can read the actual paper? The link in the summary is to an abstract, so it's hard to evaluate what they did.
Anyway, this makes sense based on what we know about how the body calibrates to certain foods. It's one of the reasons why obesity is so hard to overcome.
Re: Or (Score:2)
That could be the case but it would not be on purpose so "trying" might not be the right word.
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> It suggests that people who learn good habits early tend to follow them for their entire lives.
By attributing this primarily to "habits" I think you're minimizing the difficulty here. Maybe because in English we use "habit" to describe both an accustomed and reflexive action, and a biological addiction?
The distinction is important. TFS says "children born just a few months apart had very different levels of sugar exposure both in the womb and during early childhood". It also says "early-life sugar exposure continued to affect people's diets even 50 years later".
From those I deduce both a five-alarm f
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Medical researchers are not always especially good at distinguishing between correlation and causation.