People Keep Sneaking Into an Empty IBM Campus - and Then Getting Arrested (msn.com)
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- News link: https://slashdot.org/story/26/07/11/2129203/people-keep-sneaking-into-an-empty-ibm-campus---and-then-getting-arrested
- Source link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/people-keep-sneaking-into-an-empty-ibm-campus-this-town-has-had-enough/ar-AA27o5Py?ocid=BingNewsVerp
> The long-vacant site has become a magnet for so-called urban explorers, who prowl abandoned malls, hospitals, power plants, amusement parks, factories and any other disused structure they can breach... [I]t's been turbocharged by artsy videos on Instagram and TikTok that spur others to create their own posts, luring still more curiosity seekers... In Somers, social-media images of the old IBM campus — a sprawling, pyramid-studded 1980s complex designed by the late I.M. Pei's firm — show dystopian scenes: busted windows, tossed rooms and graffitied walls. But they also give eerie glimpses of conference rooms and cubicles unchanged since IBM left a decade ago, as if employees had fled the daily grind one day and never returned...
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> One man in his mid-20s faces felony charges; police allege he had a loaded 9mm gun and took a Sony camera and power strip among other souvenirs. Andrew Proto, a defense lawyer, said "a 15-second clip" isn't worth a criminal record... Proto said he has represented or advised several minors arrested on the campus. The Somers town court clerk said some defendants received a 6-month "adjournment in contemplation of dismissal," meaning charges will be dropped and their arrest sealed if they avoid trouble. Some explorers who have posted about the IBM site say they follow an observe-and-preserve ethos and reject vandalism. They say they're driven by curiosity, the thrill of roaming forbidden spaces and a zeal to document discoveries — and that they're careful and know their limits.
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> "It actually gives me hope when I hear that kids are out there getting into trouble," says Bradley Garrett, a cultural geographer and author of the book "Explore Everything: Place-Hacking the City," about his own urbex adventures. He sees urban exploration as "a gateway drug in a good way, sometimes, into intellectual curiosity about history and culture." But Garrett said popular spots can be "loved to death" online — and then shut down, looted or set ablaze.
"Trespassers were blamed for a [2]March 30 fire , reports [3]a local newspaper , "that damaged one of the buildings and required volunteer firefighters to spend three hours extinguishing the blaze."
[1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/people-keep-sneaking-into-an-empty-ibm-campus-this-town-has-had-enough/ar-AA27o5Py
[2] https://www.facebook.com/SomersVFD/posts/structure-fire%EF%B8%8Fdatetime-monday-march-30th-2026-at-1030-amlocation-ibm-incident-s/1554914536634077/
[3] https://www.timesunion.com/hudsonvalley/news/article/trespassing-arrests-ibm-complex-somers-22311078.php
Keep it illegal (Score:2)
But encourage prosecutors to use discretion. Kind of like jaywalking tickets if people arenâ(TM)t abusing it and if itâ(TM)s occurring rarely then give a scare/warning and let it go.
The secrets buried there (Score:3)
They don't want you to find the analog AI super computer they built in the 60's that made em write the warning "A COMPUTER CAN NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER MAKE A MANAGEMENT DECISION", in all caps like that.
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s/COMPUTER/POLITICIAN/g
Translate the result to Latin. Chisel over the entrance to the Capitol building.
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P1?!? Is that you?
There are probably cooler old IBM sites to visit (Score:5, Informative)
That old Somers site has to be pretty picked over and vandalized by this point. Urban explorers should probably check out the old IBM data center in Southbury instead, which wasn't abandoned until late 2024.
I wonder if my old OS/2 mouse pad is still in the file cabinet where I left it...
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There are times in the kitchen, that I wish I had an IBM card saw to get things off baking sheets. I believe that I still have a CPU cabinet top "IBM System 360" aluminum slab sign. For a while, IBM even sold office chairs (OEM'd from Steelcase). I used one for years.
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I sure would like to add a Model F keyboard to my IBM keyboard collection.
Estate Sales (Score:2)
Troll estate sales. I bought one last year for $10. It's a spare, as I have a half dozen, including one with an integrated mouse stick, a narrow version without a keypad, and the monster honkin' version meant to be used with the weirdo PC-based 3270 client. I think it weighs 10 pounds.
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Just be careful; a few old IBM sites had toxic waste problems. It sounds like they were just turning off the lights and water and walking away from these.
One woild hope everything was remediated but I wouldn't bet my own safety on it.
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Are you referring to the Apple Orchard? I know most of the sites that had manufacturing fall into the toxic category, but my fuzzy memory is that you worked around there.
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I have done work in some former IBM sites, and even the very old ones can be quite interesting. (As an architecture nerd I would enjoy exploring an IM Pei building though.) Only problem is they are abandoned because of hazmat and ground remediation is a ~75-year process.
Good video (Score:2)
Here’s a good video about the site. It’s rather impressive. [1]https://youtu.be/DjQ2PAgUcM8?i... [youtu.be]
[1] https://youtu.be/DjQ2PAgUcM8?is=tBghphJVGSQgULs-
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Great video, thanks for posting it.
Somewhere between post apocalypse and Shining.
Why doesnâ(TM)t IBM charge admissions? (Score:1)
Guided tours. Concessions.
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Safety and accessibility isn't cheap, maintenance to remain inhabitable, then you will still have lawsuits if someone trips. Whoever still owns the land is hoping someone wants to buy to rebuild on the spot.
See the leaning tower of NY at [1]161 Maiden Lane [wikipedia.org] for when no one wants to admit they still own the land and building and can't afford to do anything with it and no one else wants the expense of fixing.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/161_Maiden_Lane
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It would lost all appeal. Same if they just open it out and only required 'liability release' on entry.
Becareful, you might catch COBOL (Score:2)
There's not enough JCL left to control it.
I Explored Em'! (Score:3)
I explored IBM campuses LONG before they were defunct. I was there when people roamed them halls and tunnels.
I had blueprints, and plans and I knew all the hidey holes.
Pretty much, physically boring. Tunnels were only for the pipes and wires. No big secrets or bunkers.
The only interesting stuff was on the raised floor; who was doing what and where.
That's all virtually gone. Not worth getting arrested anymore for that stuff in an old IBM data center. Its all in a different data center now.
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A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots. - Quote Marcus Garvey
Aren't guns legal? (Score:1)
The Supreme court recently ruled that if a property owner does not explicitly prohibit firearms on premises, that it is legal. Whatever you think of that, it is the law. But not here?
Re: Aren't guns legal? (Score:3)
Carrying a gun while committing a crime will increase the punishment even in states like Texas.
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Yeah, that's why they mentioned the ancient Sony camera he lifted.
"Crime with a gun" is a separate crime according to NY.
SCOTUS will strike those down eventually. It's like saying "crime while praying" if it's a right.
Obviously he wasn't using the gun to jack a Betacam. He was probably worried about crackheads in there for the copper.
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Probably has something to do with having a gun while committing a crime.
the abandoned stuff...why is it never collected? (Score:2)
I get that the ancient (32-bit) PC computers are pretty much worthless now and that's mostly all of interest in the old IBM sites (wondering what the current state of the Sloatsburg location near NY 17/17A in Orange County is like - I drive past it at least once a year).
What gets me are the schools more than the malls or offices - all this talk of teachers having to buy school supplies (and now no longer getting a tax break for it), and yet every one of these buildings we see the reels walk through are full
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32 bit machines are worth a boat load now due to nostalgia and vintage gamers. You should see what a beige 386 clone fetches on ebay these days.
Attractive nuisance (Score:2)
Although NY does not adhere to this standard, and these generally aren't kids, it still seems like a form of attractive nuisance. If they actually cared about the property they'd use it or maintain it. So either do that or sell it. Otherwise, unless someone does something stupid, like arson, let it go.
Easy way to keep people out (Score:2)
Paint the walls yellow, put down yellow carpeting, and fill the place with flickering, humming fluorescent lights. Nobody will venture through.
He loved that thing! (Score:3)
I was just looking for Milton's Swingline stapler.