Meta To Build $9 Billion Alberta Data Center, Its First In Canada (yahoo.com)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/26/07/09/0436235/meta-to-build-9-billion-alberta-data-center-its-first-in-canada
- Source link: https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/meta-build-c-13-billion-193130673.html
> Meta has doubled down on AI, pledging hundreds of billions of dollars to build large AI data centers in the U.S. The Alberta announcement represents the company's 33rd data center globally. Executives made the announcement in Calgary alongside Premier Danielle Smith and other Alberta government officials, who have spent several years courting Silicon Valley tech giants with the aim of spurring a large-scale investment in the oil-and-gas province. Alberta's technology minister, Nate Glubish, told reporters there are currently several other gigawatt-scale data center proposals in various stages of development in the province. "This is the first of its kind, the first of its size, the first of its scale, but it won't be the last," Glubish said.
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> Meta, like other tech giants, is facing rapidly expanding power needs due to the growth of AI, and Alberta is rich in natural gas which sells at a significant discount to the U.S. benchmark. The province's cold climate also makes cooling the massive super-computers and related data center infrastructure more cost-efficient. The 20 existing small- to mid-scale data centers in Alberta already pull from the province's energy grid, which is 60% powered by natural gas. The provincial government is giving new proponents the option to build their own power sources to avoid limits on power capacity. Meta said Wednesday it will fully fund new generation and grid infrastructure for its Alberta data center, which will consume about as much electricity as 800,000 homes. Gary Demasi, Meta's vice president for data center development, said the company will offset that electricity use by investing in clean and renewable energy. He also said the data center will use a closed-loop liquid cooling system, meaning its total water use will be less than that of a typical golf course.
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> [...] The company has partnered with Alberta-based Pembina Pipeline , which announced last week it will go ahead with its Greenlight Electricity Centre, a new natural gas-fired power-generation facility in Sturgeon County which will be in service in late 2030 and with which Meta has a long-term tolling agreement. Until that project is operational and for the next decade, Alberta-based power producer Capital Power will provide 250 megawatts of electricity for the site using its existing natural gas-fired fleet. The project will require approximately 150 million cubic feet per day of natural gas, according to Pembina, helping to create demand for Western Canadian natural gas producers.
[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/meta-build-c-13-billion-193130673.html
Another deal, another screwed-over tax-payer (Score:2)
Alberta wants to be like Texas, for some people, to the point of seceding from Canada. But Texas invested in solar and wind power, which Alberta, it seems, didn't.
Meta will build a data centre, then a clean energy plant? Riiiiight! There's no benefit to doing that. When it's time to down-size their data centre, Meta will have to sell electricity to keep their plant profitable. That will probably be more electricity than Alberta needs: Doubly so, if other data centres are also down-sizing.
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We used to be investing in solar and wind in a big way and backing away from coal-fired electricity. But now that MAGA is taking over Alberta, they are ensuring that nothing stands in the way of that sweet sweet oil and gas money.
More bacteria in a public water system? (Score:3)
In Wyoming, a contractor working to build Meta's data center, discharged untreated water into the municipal water system which led to the introduction of [1]Cupriavidus gilardii into the water system [wyomingnews.com].
[1] https://www.wyomingnews.com/laramieboomerang/news/cheyenne-bopu-traces-rare-bacteria-discharge-to-meta-data-center-contractor/article_df359a2e-bc2f-41e7-a80f-cdb0ca41b4d8.html
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That's what happens when you let those pseudo-conservatives get any amount of power, they destroy everything they can.
The same Meta that (Score:2)
Cannot even find a use for the AI data centers / GPU's they have already?
Are they going to lease out the GPS?
With that much competition?
I guess Mark / Meta want to get into the low margin datacenter business. That's going to put a crimp on profitability.
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IIUC, Meta sells compute to Anthropic. That's not "not finding a use".
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Compute is a verb, not a noun.
Not enough money (Score:2)
A 1GW datacenter costs 9 billion dollars just for the building, a GW power station is another half billion.
Then 20 billion for the compute
Efficient job creation (Score:2)
Great, so we're going to consume 71% of an Edmonton in electricity to create... 300 long-term jobs as reported in the Globe and Mail (Which is BS anyway; I bet there will be around 100 people needed long-term for the data centre.)
What I'd be interested in seeing is the tax breaks and bribes the government will be expected to give Meta to build the DC there. I suspect it'll be like FIFA: Lots of splash and drama and a net negative in terms of revenue for Canada.
Meanwhile... (Score:2)
AI centers demand two things, power and water.
And so while they're going to use gas to power this site, and god knows about the water, the Grande Baleine dam in Quebec is just sitting there with... power and water.
Seems like a no-brainer to me. It's also closer to the US and Canadian population mass, so lower latencies. Running some fibre down the existing corridor does not seem like a possible impediment either.
For those who don't know... (Score:2)
Alberta is a province of would-be cowboys.
They have a seperatist movement that aspires to be like Texas.
Why? (Score:2)
Is Trump country no good anymore? Are people complaining about odd noise, power fluctuations and or water problems?
Canada has a bewildering wealth and breadth of nature. Let's convert some of that to server farms. It's for the kids.
Heatwaves all over northern hemisphere this summer (Score:4, Insightful)
Yet 150 cubic feet of gas per day will be burnt to run a datacentre to so what.... generate more AI slop and scan images in order to stroke Fuckerbergs ego and reduce what little privacy there is online that little bit more?
Re:Heatwaves all over northern hemisphere this sum (Score:4, Insightful)
Typo: should read 150 million cubic feet
If its in Canada (Score:4)
Shouldn't that nat-gas be measured in cubic metres?
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> Shouldn't that nat-gas be measured in cubic metres?
(150 million ft^3) / (35.3147 ft^3/m^3) = 4.2475 million m^3
That said, most utilities in Canada bill consumers in gigajoules.
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You can put solar panels on roofs. I wonder if someone ever had thought about it.
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Just how big do you think this place is going to be? That'd be a lot of sq. footage of roof-mounted solar to power the place (not to mention, if you go the solar route, you're probably gonna want to store power for those long nights, so tons of batteries, and you need more solar output than the DC needs so you can charge the batteries).
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This is Alberta we're talking about. Solar is woke in gay in that area. You're not a real man unless you're inhaling crude oil particulate from a refinery.
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Albertan here. Too true.
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Being Canada isn't America, they ought to be mandating that the roof of this building be plastered with solar panels. It won't solve for the entire power budget, but at least it'll cut a chunk of that gas out, and it's at least trying to do something approaching the right thing. If Zuck says "no thanks", then fine, leave him to build it in America so they get all the emissions, then use the land for a solar farm anyway.
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The only question I would say for that in Alberta is the snowfall but I imagine almost every datacentre getting built will be plastered with solar panels because it's just good business. Your highest operating cost will always be energy so having a giant flat pizzabox that could generate you some of that, well with the price of solar panels today I don't think you have to be an MBA to figure out the ROI on that makes a ton of sense.
Really the only reason for a datacentre to not cover itself in solar panels
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For ideal winter power generation, solar needs to be tipped at those latitudes and from the experience I have with a 450 kw microgen site, snow does not accumulate on panels at that angle, so they should be pretty good. As you say it's a no-brainer and in fact battery storage should be required as well.
I happen to know that a very large multinational company was in the planning stages to build modular data centers across the US with built-in solar and batteries, but the Trump administration put a stop to it
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Being Canada isn't America
You need some geography lessons.
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> Being Canada isn't America
> You need some geography lessons.
Brilliant self-own. You are the one who needs geography lessons. And maybe throw in lessons on the definition of a "sovereign nation."
"Canada isn't America" is an objectively true statement. That holds whether you consider "America" to be the United States, or all of North America, which consists of 23 sovereign countries. (Yes, that many.)
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I wish. This is Alberta, MAGA country (I'm not joking), the Texas of Canada, full of trump supporters who really do want to give Alberta lock, stock and barrel to Trump---they have a delusion that they will be treated as an equal partner when this happens. US citizenship and everything (provided they are white). Nevermind affording healthcare. They couch all this in terms of an "Independent Alberta."
Meanwhile, the premier fancies herself a bold and visionary leader just like Trump and deeply admires everyt
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According to polls, the overwhelming majority of Albertans want to remain in Canada. IMHO any referendum on separation will fail decisively.
That hasn't stopped agitators from encouraging separation. Including foreign ones, like US Ambassador to Canada Pete Hoekstra.
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well, the surveillance mega corporation state needs to be powered somehow ...