Yes. One hour closer.

No, and not just because of Betteridge, but because TFS says the only proposal involving DST is to make it permanent. That's not "ending" it.

You're as big an idiot as the bill's sponsor, who said creating a permanent Daylight Saving would bring "more usable daylight hours throughout the year."

DST doesn't provide "extra daylight hours." It doesn't affect the number of day/night hours a single bit. Maybe if we outlawed winter?

This was back when lights were not standard on the streets or storefronts. We have street lights now. This isnt the 1940s.

This bill doesn't kill DST. It allows states to make it permanent, if they want to.

> With climate change already making everything hotter, adding an hour of daylight to every day will just make things hotter still! I know my lawn will never make it through all that extra daylight.

Perhaps some AI driven watering and wind fans (for a light breeze across the lawn) could help.

> With climate change already making everything hotter, adding an hour of daylight to every day will just make things hotter still! I know my lawn will never make it through all that extra daylight.

LMAO i have never laughed so hard at a comment before left on this forum.

a timezone change does not ADD (or remove) an hour of daylight. it's the same planet, it will spin the same every day, and thus the same amount of light LOL.your lawn won't know any difference!

Every time I hear the "think of the children" argument against year-round DST, I ask myself why schools don't just start an hour later instead of dragging the rest of the world along with them. Year round DST FTW.

I would be interesting in hearing from people who _want_ the twice-annual clock change.

I don't think that's it. It's whether we should stick to a single "time." The US tried year-round DST back in the '70's. It was quickly repealed. Because it's idiocy. For centuries (millenia?), noon was when the sun was highest. Business/working hours were made around that simple fact. In the 1800's, the railroads created "standard time", with timezones, which made scheduling vastly easier because they didn't have t

My son still had to wait for the bus in the dark in the winter, just depends on if you live on the eastern or western part of the time zone.

I'd prefer permanent daylight savings because I'd rather have that extra hour of light in the evening.. but simply want the madness to end.

> Shifting the clocks helped prevent the children from having wait for the bus in the dark, or walk home in the dark, something like that. But that may be me mis-remembering something I heard a while ago.

Yeah that's a problem, for people raising soft coddled little precious brat children who are unprepared for a world where the sun actually rises and sets and are afraid of the dark.

You misremember. It's an argument that many have for abandoning DST altogether and sticking with standard, sane time zone hours, not keeping DST

DST year round in northern states (or countries) would probably mean schools would have to adjust their schedules in winter, starting later, and running later.

Here in Alberta we have a premier who fancies herself as a donald trump sort of leader (she's a stable genius), so she got her party to pass a law to make DST year round here, never mind that only a few short

That is the 'blah, blah...you...blah...\argument.

There are systems in your society and laws in your country that are not happy when the DST is not enforced. I believe that in the US, bank transactions are legally not allowed to take more than 200 milliseconds (from coast to coast or everything in between). You think that will go smoothly if every state is allowed to determine if DST is enforced or not?

Lots of automatic alarms in buildings are also affected. As well as police- and fire-departments. And who k

Some reasons the twice yearly time change is nice. An extra hour of light in the evening in the summer when evening outdoor activities happen. It would mostly be wasted in the morning unless other schedules (work/school) change with the seasons. That extra hour of light in the winter is more useful in the morning to make most commutes to work/school after sunrise. So what the time changes do is keep sunrise more consistent throughout the year ... i.e. between 6 am and 7 am instead of 7 am and 5 am for St

If you look at the actual data from the 1974 experiment staying on DST all winter, those who talk about the dangers to children, cherry-pick the data. Florida, for example, had 8 deaths that year, compared to 2 the year before. Sounds awful, right? So why aren't nationwide numbers cited more often? Well, because the nationwide numbers did not correlate with Florida's experience.

The fact is, children get on school buses in the dark all over the country, all winter. Extending the number of in-the-dark boardin

It was mostly people in northern states in the darkest days of winter.

I was in 2nd grade in the southern U.S. the year Nixon had us stay on DST for a while. My friends and I really enjoyed the change. It was dark(-ish) when we walked to the bus stop, but we got to take flashlights to school (much more exciting when you're 7 years old!).

>> The 1974 Permanent DST Experiment: During the 1970s energy crisis, the U.S. enacted year-round DST. It was immensely unpopular, largely because children were walking or waiting for the school bus in the dark during cold winter mornings. The law was retracted in the fall of 1974

That was in 1974, when many/most children took the school bus. Now (your location obviously will vary) a lot more parents drive their kids to school and pick them up (to go to some activity), so it is likely the push-back would be substantially muted. I live next to an elementary school, and if I happen to be walking past at the time the school day ends the number of children getting into an adults car is far larger than the few getting on the bus (it is actually somewhat annoying, since the waiting cars

Thank you! I came here to point out that allowing states to exempt themselves from Daylight Savings Time is absolutely NOT what this is about. That would, as you say, put them on legitimate solar time year round.

I for one would vastly prefer that. Let businesses and agencies set the hours that work for them and their customers. But make them do that themselves, instead of asking government to change the clocks and force everyone by default.

But in our post-truth, post-reality world, this is how things are

> Also, it's a really stupid name for the Bill.

Particularly since the sun doesn't shine there.

I agree changing twice a year is stupid, but standard time is what most people want. The referendum in Alberta made that clear (which Smith completely ignores). They voted against full-time DST, but would have been completely in favor of full-time standard time.

If Smith gets her way there won't be a Canada to follow suit in the next couple of years. All because, as trump says, we're being treated so unfairly.

It would be very impractical for the same day, in one place, to have two different dates. It would be super weird for two places near the date line to simultaneously have the exact same date and time but different days of week.

There's always one.

No, time zones are not idiotic. People for centuries have considered noon to be when the sun is straight overhead, and midnight is the midpoint between dusk and dawn. That's not idiotic.

Why should I have to go to a new city and ask, "What hour is midday here?" "What are office hours here?" No, *that* would be idiotic. Standardizing on certain time conventions, makes life easier to manage. It's only travelers who have to deal with time changes most of the year.

Yes and China does that right now. All of China is one time zone, which happens to be the timezone that Beijing is in. The problem is that although they've eliminated timezones, they haven't eliminated the problems that came with timezones. Across China schedules are different to accommodate, you know, the sun. Someone in the east of china who wants to call someone in the west of china still has to be cognizant of the fact that in the west they go to work a couple of hours later than those in the east.