New Movie Trailer Shows First AI-Generated Performance By a Major Star: the Late Val Kilmer (abc.net.au)
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- News link: https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/26/04/18/2010257/new-movie-trailer-shows-first-ai-generated-performance-by-a-major-star-the-late-val-kilmer
- Source link: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-17/as-deep-as-the-grave-filmmakers-defend-use-ai-val-kilmer/106576814
> Val Kilmer was cast in western As Deep As the Grave before his death in April 2025. Production delays meant he never shot any scenes, but the creative team worked with UK-based company Sonantic to create an AI speaking voice based on his old recordings. His estate and daughter Mercedes collaborated with the film-makers on the visual deepfake of the actor. Kilmer, who was diagnosed with throat cancer, was also assisted by technology for his cameo in 2022's Top Gun: Maverick ...
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> Writer-director Coerte Voorhees confirmed that Kilmer is seen for around an hour of the film's running time... Voorhees has said that the production followed Sag-Aftra [union] guidelines, and that Kilmer's estate — which provided archival material for them to use — was compensated financially.
"Kilmer's likeness can be seen portraying Father Fintan, a Catholic priest and Native American spiritualist," [3]adds The Hollywood Reporter . But the AV Club calls it " [4]ghoulish puppet show time ."
"Having your AI Val Kilmer puppet whisper 'Don't fear the dead, and don't fear me' in a movie trailer is a bold choice..."
> He is accompanied ( [5]per Variety ) by a whole host of disclaimers, caveats, and explanations offered by writer-director Coerte Voorhees and his associates: Kilmer deeply wanted to be in the movie, but was too sick to do so. His family endorses and supports his inclusion. He was a big fan of technology, including, presumably, its use in turning his own image into a digital avatar to then shove into movies...
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> The fact is, of course, that nobody would be paying a fraction of this attention to As Deep As The Grave — about early female archeologist Ann Axtell Morris — if it weren't now being used as the stage on which Voorhees was very publicly accepting the dare to go full-on ghoulish with AI tech.
"The filmmakers said they hoped they were showing Hollywood how to use the technology in a positive way..." [6]notes Australia's ABC News . But their articles add that "Some have called the trailer 'terrifying' and 'disgusting' on social media."
[7] Mashable writes :
> "Very fitting that this trailer includes a scene where a corpse is unceremoniously yanked out of the ground," read one of the top comments on As Deep as the Grave's trailer at time of writing... [O]nline commenters have labelled it [8]disgusting and disrespectful , not only for digitally reanimating Kilmer but also for the damaging precedent As Deep as the Grave 's use of AI could set for the film industry as a whole.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oem19BTzlDw
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/film/2026/apr/16/first-trailer-released-for-ai-val-kilmer-western
[3] https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/val-kilmer-ai-generated-as-deep-as-the-grave-trailer-1236565441/
[4] https://www.avclub.com/val-kilmer-as-deep-as-the-grave-ai-trailer
[5] https://variety.com/2026/film/news/val-kilmer-ai-as-deep-as-the-grave-trailer-1236722342/
[6] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-17/as-deep-as-the-grave-filmmakers-defend-use-ai-val-kilmer/106576814
[7] https://mashable.com/video/val-kilmer-ai-deepfake-deep-as-grave-trailer
[8] https://x.com/Zach_Reyes07/status/2044531035988226410
Creepy (Score:2)
Especially the part at the end, "Don't fear the dead, and don't fear me." The whole clip looks like AI fakery.
Hard pass (Score:2)
Just saw the trailer and...
I have no idea what the movie is about, whether it looks good, or whether I want to see it.
It reads "some stories were too hidden to be found" (and wtf does that mean? And the story was too hidden to be found but you're making a movie of it?), and it's based on a real story.
And a bunch of seemingly disconnected action shots.
Hard pass. I'll stream it if the reviews are any good.
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> And a bunch of seemingly disconnected action shots.
That's entirely deliberate. The movie involves North American native characters, so we already know it's another hollywood scab picking exercise. If any meaningful plot were exposed in the trailer, that suspicion would only be confirmed.
Kind of a waste of an AI ghost. If you're going to authorize Val Kilmer for something, make it be the Heat sequel.
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Trying to think of a single movie or tv show which I love so much I would be happy if they did this to make more... Nope. Can't think of any.
One thing for sure: this will result in a lot more incredibly lame plotlines like "somehow, Palpatine returned".
Sigh. Well, at least I'll save a lot of time and money not going to see movies.
AI generator actors (Score:2)
> Trying to think of a single movie or tv show which I love so much I would be happy if they did this to make more... Nope. Can't think of any.
> One thing for sure: this will result in a lot more incredibly lame plotlines like "somehow, Palpatine returned".
> Sigh. Well, at least I'll save a lot of time and money not going to see movies.
Someone did an AI live action recreation of [1]Johnny Quest [youtube.com], and it looks totally cool.
That's sorta' the reverse of the current article - instead of taking a no longer available actor and recreating him, they're making an actor (who never existed) from scratch to play the part of a cartoon character.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY78wUrXkoU
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> Someone did an AI live action recreation of Johnny Quest [youtube.com], and it looks totally cool.
It's clearly not real, but cartoons are also clearly not real. And we enjoy cartoons.
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After looking at the trailer I completely agree. AI generated or not, it looks like utter drek. I think I'd rather pore over the NAND flash recovered from a junked car in Poland (as described in the previous article) than sit through a screening of this turd.
we need more laws (Score:2)
we need a law that requires a visible watermark in films with AI actors.
About the AI version of any character (Score:2)
NOPE
Friggin' critics (Score:2)
Since when have critics been right about anything? Granted, it's just the trailer, but this looks a lot better than CGI Peter Cushing in Rogue One.
Cool technical demonstration (Score:2)
As a techno-geek, I can appreciate a good demonstration of technological capability. As a person, I can also appreciate that just because we can does not mean we should.
There are other actors. A lot of other actors. I am certain there are several that could have played this part well. Let one of them do it.
Learn the lesson: don't do this again.
what I want to read is (Score:2)
Opinions of native Americans on this film, I know the history of white European settlers here was pretty brutal at times, I recently camped at the Black Kettle grassland in Oklahoma and it was where General Custer murdered an entire tribe of Cheyenne indians including the women & children, I guess karma caught up with Custer at Little Bighorn
Am I the only one? (Score:2)
That doesn't have a problem with this? Movies aren't documentaries. They've been using special effects since like forever in film. This is just another special effect. This seems to have been done very well. I don't even get the "uncanny valley" feeling even though I know it's AI, so they've obviously put in a lot of work, which shows a lot of respect to the late Val, and his estate/family. I think what will suck is if/when this tech is normalised, and they get lazy and don't give it as much polish. So eve
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The problem is not technological, it is mimicry.
When someone somewhere fakes your likeness to scam someone else, all without your knowledge or awareness, then one day you get a court summons and are thrown in jail because the evidence is incontrovertibly good AI, you'll understand. Or maybe your children will understand if you were dead while doing the deed.
TL;DR. AI fakery is not compatible with personal responsibility.
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The people who don't have a problem with it aren't complaining.
The Problem (Score:2)
This isn't a Val Kilmer performance, it's an AI performance wearing Val Kilmer's skin and using his voice. There's a difference, even if it's just in the viewer's head.
A little cameo in a series to show the writers haven't forgotten the past work of an actor is nice to see. A hour of screen time is ghoulish exploitation of his legacy by the family.
Why? (Score:1)
Why though? Was he even that good to begin with?
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He played Jim Morrison in The Doors, for one, and actually sang the part himself. I'm sure you'll respond by panning that performance in defense of your question, but for probably 99% of people alive today, that performance is what is in their heads when they think of Jim Morrison, and they're not wrong.
He did his part to make Heat what it is, on a stage full of the biggest names Hollywood had at the time.
So, yeah. Pretty good, as they go.
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Yes, a big star. Last millennium.
I've been living under a rock but can't recall seeing him in anything after Kiss Kiss Bang Bang - he was good in that but even by 2005 we are talking about career reboots.
Unless we're riding the wave of Top Gun nostalgia, this looks like your classic spend $150 million on AI for a $30 million box office return.
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He was great in Top Secret and Real Genius. Batman Forever wasn’t bad given the soundtrack and Jim Carrey being over the top. I felt bad for the guy developing throat cancer and having to stop acting.
The purpose of art (Score:4, Insightful)
is not, as many would have you believe, to be found solely in its consumption or appreciation.
Art is a dialogue. It is a conversation between humans--those who feel joy and pain, sorrow and hope; and it is the embodiment of creative expression in which the artist, for all their imperfections and struggle, brings into being something that marks existence--as if to say, "I was once here, in this space that you now observe."
And that is not necessarily pretentiousness or egocentrism. Art is born from a desire to connect with others, across space and time.
The intrinsic problem of "generative AI" as it is presently utilized as a vehicle of artistic expression is that, overwhelmingly, it fails to create a true dialogue, in much the same way that using a chatbot amounts to speaking with nobody but yourself. There may be a director and other humans who are prompting the AI and exerting control over the output, but the lack of human actors and cinematographers means that the result can only ever be a simulation of art, not art itself. It is not until we can create artificial consciousness--machines that experience human emotions and concept of self--that we can ever say that their status can transcend that of mere tools and their product might become art. To be clear, I am not suggesting we should attempt to do so. But what we have today is very, very far away from this.
Maybe a simulation is enough for most people, who think of popular media as nothing more than transitory stories to consume, discard, and forget. That the audience may not have the capacity to respect art as a process, by failing to distinguish what it is and is not, does not invalidate the artist, no more than someone who doesn't understand mathematics or computer programming can decide that it is not worth learning or doing.
The reason why there is a lot of pushback against AI has to do with the preposterous notion that it can (and therefore, should) serve as a substitute for human creativity. Of all of the things that such sophisticated computational models could be used for, the last thing that I would want it to do for me is my thinking and feeling. We should be using technology to make our lives easier and give us more freedom to express ourselves creatively, not less. People who are using it to simulate art have entirely missed the point of why we make art in the first place. Creative expression is not a chore like washing my dishes and scrubbing my toilet bowl. Yes, making art is sometimes painful and difficult and challenging. But that struggle is not something to be eliminated. It is meant to be overcome.
AI apologists--at least, nearly all of those I have met--are, in my view, nearly entirely lacking in understanding of what makes living worthwhile; and those who do understand are intentionally and cynically promoting AI because they stand to gain financially from this position.
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> Art is a dialogue. It is a conversation between humans--those who feel joy and pain, sorrow and hope;
I can accept art as communication, but how do you consider it dialogue? A dialogue requires the listener to respond in some way, it's a two way communication. How is the listener answering back to the artist?
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It makes more sense as a dialogue if we think of it not so much as a one-to-one conversation, but more like an ongoing, global discourse. After all, movies are not made in a vacuum, and they are--generally speaking--not made for a single specific individual to watch. The artist is informed and shaped by their experiences.
I frame it this way because I want to move away from the "maker"/"viewer" framework--this dichotomy of the creator of an experience versus those who experience the creation. There is a k
I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords (Score:1)
The one place where AI will have a HUGE impact on employment is Hollyweed. Given the mediocre slop that passes for creativity, AI will likely improve the quality of entertainment, both the writing of stories and the acting. And just like the internet stripped control of the news production from mainstream news media, AI will demolish the control of studios over the movie industry. Since movie theaters are dying, control of those theaters no longer gives studios control over movie releases. Without the ludic
First? (Score:2)
I still remember a fake Peter Cushing and a terrible fake Carrie Fisher cast in Rogue One and a silent young Hamil at the end of one of the star wars franchises. All of the above are more "major" than poor old Val.
Not as good as F&F 7 (Score:2)
All the pretend nonsense like this wasn't already done years ago for Fast and Furious 7 is hilarious, couldn't make it clickbait otherwise. That being said it doesn't look as good that movie, and that was made over a decade ago. Nothing like budget cuts I guess.
not to disrespect the late Val Kilmer but fuck AI. (Score:1)
the role should have been recast. a living human should have been able to showcase their talent instead of AI ghosts.
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> so it could be used for him as well when he is gone
Why? Is there some shortage of neckbeard commie forum warriors now?
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> Do you remember when creimer was throwing rsilvergun under the bus?
No. And your obsession is unhealthy.
> There are also rumors creimer created an AI to be able to continue throwing rsilvergun under the bus from his grave.
See previous comment.
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i mean if Val Kilmer were irreplaceable for the role it could make sense, but as far as i can tell this is a one off role which he didn't even film any scenes for.... like if you were mid franchise and you needed to finish off a film when you lead dies, AI might make sense, but this is not that situation. bankable name replaced by AI news at 11.
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Many machines have replaced or greatly reduced the need for human labor. What makes acting deserving of special protection from automation?
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> Many machines have replaced or greatly reduced the need for human labor. What makes acting deserving of special protection from automation?
Acting is not a one-way street like machines are. For example, a combine does one thing really well: cut down and process a crop. It does not make marinara sauce, does not swim in the ocean, does not make hamburgers, and a whole host of other things.
Whereas an actor/actress isn't just repeating lines. They are emoting so you and I believe they are who they are portraying. They are moving within the scene. They may jump, be suspended from wires, dive into water, or even look as if they are cooking for a r
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Everything you said is right, but it doesn't lead to the conclusion. Yes, actors have lots of skills. But that doesn't answer the question:
If AI can do the job of an actor, why would acting deserve special protection from automation?
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> why would acting deserve special protection from automation?
I'll give it a shot.
There are some tasks that people enjoy doing. Replacing a career path that most participants want to do (or at least claim to want to do) obsoletes the human race.
It's one thing to automate drudge work that almost nobody wants to do. Clean toilets? Make a robot. It's also understandable to replace humans in jobs where computers/robots can do it better and it matters . Soon robot surgeons will be the clear best choice. Additionally it makes sense to keep some neutral jobs availab
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> Whereas an actor/actress isn't just repeating lines. They are emoting so you and I believe they are who they are portraying. They are moving within the scene. They may jump, be suspended from wires, dive into water, or even look as if they are cooking for a role. They have a wide range of things they need to do as an actor/actress. And unlike a combine, they may portray a variety of characters. In the case of Kilmer, he's portray a jet pilot, a gunshooter, a criminal, a PhD candidate working on a laser, and a singer, to name a few. Each of those are distinct from one another and require the person to change how they act.
That's beautiful. You should contact SAG-AFTRA and enlighten them as to your talent.
But you didn't actually answer the question. You expounded on the what actors do, but not why they should be protected. You offered no evidence that a generated character couldn't also do these things, and if so, why or how they might be prevented from doing so. Can you explain why an AI actor couldn't also adapt to different roles? I'm not aware of such a limitation.
The irony is pretty great here. Every member of t
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Acting is literally about representing a human being.
If you want genAI to play things in movies, have them play robots.
We have been able to automate automotive racing (Score:2)
For at least 20 years now. Human beings cannot match the accuracy and speed that an automatic transmission has for example. Honestly for at least the last 10 years if you're talking about just a well-established and well-known race track self-driving cars can beat humans every time.
But who the fuck would want to watch that? What would even be the point?
I think the problem is we commodify everything and everything is just a product to be sold. The idea of doing something for its own sake and even bei
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It really depends.
If you are making a sequel to an existing film, and the film absolutely relies on that person's voice, then okay, I will let it slide (eg Darth Vader's voice in Star Wars is basically impossible to replicate by another actor.) But I will only let it slide for some very specific reasons where recasting would not work.
For example. Star Trek. Kelvin-verse is basically dead because one of the main actors is dead. The only reason you can make a film is with the existing actors. And these films
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Same argument could be said for why do only a few actors get all the big money parts. Why aren't the roles distributed more evenly. Because people sell and I for one wouldn't mind seeing another Val Kilmer movie as long as the cgi is good. He was a decent actor in his day and it's really no different than watching a sequel to most of the 90's movies. The money goes to his daughter.