IPv6 Usage Reaches Historic 50% Across Google Services
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/04/16/1718230/ipv6-usage-reaches-historic-50-across-google-services
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> [...] IPv6 was dismissed early on as a headache-inducing, hard-to-implement complication that would hardly ever gain any traction -- despite offering 2^128 possible numbers, solving all network number assignments in one fell swoop. That changed over time by force of necessity, and [2]Google's tracking graph shows that for a brief moment in time on March 28, 50% of worldwide users accessed the service over an IPv6 connection, marking a historic first. [3]APNIC's stats show that the protocol is in use by 43% of the world, with Asia and the Americas inching ever close to those 50%. Cloudflare, meanwhile, shows that 40% of traffic is done in IPv6, an actually impressive figure if you consider it's measuring actual transferred packets rather than just counting addresses.
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> The tried-and-true IPv4 and its well-known 123.456.789.123 format from 1980 offers ~4.3 billion addresses in theory, and around 3.7 billion in practice. That always sounded like a lot, but nobody could have predicted just how rapid the explosion of the Internet would be. IANA, the entity controlling the North-American IPv4 space, ran out of IPv4 addresses around 2011, while its European equivalent RIPE NCC could spare no more four-octet addresses nearly seven years ago in 2019. Asian, African, and Latin-American IP registries equally ran out during that timeframe.
[1] https://www.tomshardware.com/networking/ipv6-usage-reaches-historic-50-percent-across-google-services-matching-ipv4-increased-usage-eases-pressure-on-the-ipv4-address-market-as-new-protocol-designed-in-1998-finally-hits-its-stride
[2] https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
[3] https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6
You have to be over 16 to use IPv6 (Score:3)
Another good use for age verification.
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They'll exactly know your age. The addressing space in IPv6 is so large you could probably assign every person at birth a block of addresses that they would use for life and the govt would know exactly who is accessing posting what.
Coming soon: the year of IPv6! (Score:2)
Before you know it, IPv6 will be everywhere, there will be nowhere to hide.
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> Before you know it, IPv6 will be everywhere, there will be nowhere to hide.
The last place on earth safe from IPv6 will be DNS glue records.
What stops IPv6 from being universal (Score:3)
Comcast is my ISP and my issues with them aside they implemented IPv6 perfectly. Back when I was running a virtual lab I could bring up any number of endpoints in the cloud and at other sites and could get 100% connectivity anywhere I wanted without dealing with any NAT complications and everything easy to account for and manageable with firewall rules.
And no bot harvester ever found a single system of mine to initiate ssh attacks on. How could they and why should they when there still are so many vulnerable IPv4 endpoints around?
I could understand back when several popular OSes didn't support IPv6 very well but that stopped being true a decade ago. Yet new deployments every day with IPv4 address only provisions.
What's it going to take to kill IPv4?
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You want to kill it? Make the mainstream routers enable it by default out of the box. It's literally that easy.
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I am OK with IPv4. All my devices support it, the addresses are easy to remember. Everything works.
Though the local v6 addresses can be easy to remember as well, like fd00::0:1, it would be more annoying to remember a public IP as it would be longer.
The fact that my numpad does not have letters and : would make it more annoying to type, but whatever.
Still, IPv4 for me is good enough. There are not enough IPv6-only services that would make me consider adding it to my network and duplicating all the firewall
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> Still, IPv4 for me is good enough. There are not enough IPv6-only services that would make me consider adding it to my network and duplicating all the firewall rules. That's for my home network. It goes many times that for the work network, because that would be even more difficult and time-consuming for very little benefit right now.
Firewalls allow multiple addresses to be aliased to a name allowing one set of rules to be applied across address families without duplication. Family specific bits are IPv4 NAT forwarding which generally would not be necessary for IPv6.
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What's it going to take to kill IPv4?
Outlaw or get rid of NAT. Then IPv4 will fail.
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Probably the fact that it was designed to be a duct tape solution which was incomprehensible by anyone with an IQ under 120, additionally requiring a myriad of services to make it worth the time or effort to fully implement, further exacerbating its adoption and interoperability.
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Some colos don't even provide v6 yet.
Some ISP's still don't suport it.
Some classes of network gear only recently got hardware v6 support. Older gear still in service pushes v6 onto the CPU. Probably why those colos and ISP's don't support it.
And I still see important v6 fixes coming in hardware changelogs, mostly on the LAN management stacks (neighbor discovery, mDNS, etc.)
That said, the pieces are finally coming together in the past two years, roughly.
I would bet 2030* will see v6 at around 75% of traffi
Re: What stops IPv6 from being universal (Score:2)
Verizon's 2 Gbps Fios home service doesn't support IPv6, due apparently to them picking hardware for this particular service that doesn't handle it. Their other service does handle it, including slower home Fios, but not that in particular.
So bizarre (Score:2)
All of my services (at home and for business, including self-hosted and collocated servers) have been dual-homed with IPV4 and IPV6 for decades. I just can't grasp services that don't include IPV6 connectivity in this modern world.
Is this traffic mostly phones? (Score:2)
IPV6 is used on phones out of necessity. I wonder how much of the 'modern' IPs are just the phones.
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It's interesting to look at Google's graph (https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html). You can see that there's a greater proportion of IPv6 use at weekends, when the ratio of phone to work use is higher. And if you look around March 2020, when covid lockdowns started, the difference between work days and weekends reduces substantially.
An unintended side effect.. (Score:3)
..of the shortage of IPV4 addresses and NAT is that IOT devices need to connect to servers, often with subscriptions, for remote access.
I should be able to connect directly with my IOT devices using IPV6 and the devices should be secure enough to exist on the public internet.
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That's probably the first legitimate reason I've seen for IPv6.
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And if we had some pixie dust, we could all fly. Coulda woulda shoulda, in real life, sadly, technical decisions are often made by MBAs who make their assistant print out emails for them because the don't know how to use Outlook.
ipv6 by default (Score:1)
ipv6 is just the default for most mobile and home networks nowadays. And it just works. Too bad it just start to be on for some services like AWS that are supposed to be modern but you still define ipv4 network and if you really want, you can now add ipv6 on top.
At least learn your industry (Score:2)
"The tried-and-true IPv4 and its well-known 123.456.789.123 format from 1980 offers ~4.3 billion addresses in theory, and around 3.7 billion in practice." Oh yes, the definitely well known format that includes 2 octets of invalid information. Also wtf does format matter? Why are we reporting on this crap? Math is math, numbers are numbers, regardless of how you express them.
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you can usually ping 2130706433
it can helpful for people that are too mentally tied to dotted quads to understand how ipv4 really works
Um .. (Score:1)
> IPv6 was dismissed early on as a headache-inducing, hard-to-implement complication that would hardly ever gain any traction
Ha! What fools those scoffers were!
Instead, it took the world by storm with lightning speed ... er, to briefly over 50% in almost 30 years!
It's REALLY not that hard prople. (Score:2)
So the addresses are bigger, so what?
In most cases, all you care about is the prefix, which is just 64 bits, expressed as 4 groups of 4 hex digits. This is IT, is hex really beyond people's grasp?
Most of the admin is done one terminals that support cut and paste anyway.
Always felt they could just add one more set (Score:2)
Five sets of 256, easy to read, no learning curve. Set the problem aside until we do need a trillion unique IPs.
Re: Always felt they could just add one more set (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah sweet, fits great on all those 40 bit architectures or chunks nicely into four 10 bit chunks for all those 10 bit ones.......
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40-bit addresses fit no less nicely on 32-bit machines than 128-bit IPV6 fit on 64-bit machines today--or for that matter, 32-bit IPv4 addresses on the 16-bit processors ubiquitous in 1980. In all cases you're spanning two words. The unused bits would have been put to use packing metadata according to the needs of whatever system is working with the address. The bizarre re-slicing of 5 bytes into 10-bit chunks obviously irrelevant as an argument.
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They do. Because 40 bit addresses waste 24 bits, because a 32 bit architecture works as easy with 40 bits than with 64. 128 bits was just being on the safe side. While it does not allow to address each elementary particle in the universe (which would need about 200 bit), it will be sufficient for all atoms we can reach and come back until our Sun burns out before the invention of faster-than-light travel.
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Or maybe just 6 sets of 256. Why not.
I've always considered IPv6 to be one of the biggest engineering failures in history, except for maybe Therac-25.
But I'm sure someone here will graciously explain why I'm wrong and how IPv6 will save the world.
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> But I'm sure someone here will graciously explain why I'm wrong and how IPv6 will save the world.
You're wrong because it's not supposed to save the world, only to save us from having to half-ass update to IPv8 in a few years.
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Guess it failed at that, then, too - because IPv8 has been proposed, and it's actually something approachable compared to the management and comprehensional shitstack that IPv6 is.
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thain-ipv8-00.html
They went back and addressed the issue from first principles instead of relying on a presumption which has not proven to be fully true, in turn resulting in a mismatch of capabilities and implementations across platforms which don't play nicely with each other (and subsequent
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That IPv8 proposal was confirmed to be AI written, submitted by an anonymous entity in the Bahamas.
It calls for OAuth for authorization of devices but IP operates at Layer 7, OAuth is Layer 3. It's AI slop - complete garbage.
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> Guess it failed at that, then, too - because IPv8 has been proposed, and it's actually something approachable compared to the management and comprehensional shitstack that IPv6 is.
> They went back and addressed the issue from first principles instead of relying on a presumption which has not proven to be fully true, in turn resulting in a mismatch of capabilities and implementations across platforms which don't play nicely with each other (and subsequently, unfortunately, make it difficult to move forward with either v6 or transition to anything else).
Oh give me a break, literally anyone can submit an ID, this has not been adopted by any WG and most of them go absolutely nowhere. Saw this come through the announce list the other day and can attest to the fact this is a pointless waste of time.
There is a never ending stream of people angry they didn't just somehow magically extend the address space instead of inventing a new protocol clinging to all kinds of tunneling address extension schemes. This stubbornness is never ending and remains today even af
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Or how about, 4 sets of 16-bit numbers.
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What is IPv6 and why would I ever need or want that? (I'm being facetious, of course I've had it pushed in my face at least for the past two decades...)