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Hydropower Line From Quebec Could Power a Million NYC Homes (nytimes.com)

(Tuesday March 17, 2026 @03:00AM (BeauHD) from the what-to-expect dept.)


The [1]Champlain Hudson Power Express , a $6 billion, 339-mile buried transmission line, will soon [2]deliver Canadian hydropower from Hydro-Quebec to New York City . The project could supply up to 20% of the city's electricity and power roughly one million homes throughout the year. "This is far and away the largest project I have ever worked on," said Bob Harrison, who has worked in infrastructure for 40 years and is the head of engineering for the Champlain Hudson Power Express. "We like to say it's the largest project you'll never see." The New York Times reports:

> The massive power project, expected to provide energy to a million New York City customers a year, travels underground and underwater, from the northern plains at the Canadian border to the filled-in marshlands of coastal Queens, much of it loosely following the Hudson River. Its construction included the underwater installation of more than two million feet of cable imported from Sweden. It also required special boats, loaded with equipment that could shoot water jets deep into the sediment, to create trenches for the cable. Then, when it came to placing cable beneath the landscape, more than 700 land-use easements were needed, plus an additional 1.55 million feet of cable.

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> The Champlain Hudson Power Express has found a way to plug into the city, but it wasn't easy. The work included 10 new manholes and more than three miles of new underground circuitry, according to Con Edison, the city's primary electricity provider. "It was literally a hand weave under the streets of Queens," said Jennifer Laird-White, the head of external affairs for Transmission Developers. The hydropower travels from Canada via two buried cables that are as round as cantaloupes. Those lines snake for hundreds of miles under a lake, several rivers (including the Hudson for about 90 miles) and through buried trenches alongside train tracks and roads. The cables resurface in Astoria, Queens, where a converter station shapes, filters and refines the raw power into a product that New Yorkers can consume.

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> In two cavernous rooms that could be mistaken for "Star Wars" sets, the electricity flows through 30 hanging structures encased in what look like metallic, dinosaurlike exoskeletons. Each one weighs about as much as a small humpback whale and contains microprocessors, thousands of valves and fiber wires. "I am still wowed when I walk into that facility," said Mr. Harrison, the engineer. "I mean, it is just mind-boggling."



[1] https://chpexpress.com/project-overview/

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/16/nyregion/hydro-power-nyc.html



Re: (Score:1)

by procrastinatos ( 1004262 )

You forgot the lack of [1]"Fairness and Respect" [truthsocial.com].

[1] https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116043090074364624

Re: In normal times, this would be true (Score:1)

by commodore73 ( 967172 )

"The first thing China will do is terminate ALL Ice Hockey being played in Canada, and permanently eliminate The Stanley Cup." Beyond delusional, just completely batshit insane current USA president. Like a poisoned and poisonous LLM trained on complete bullshit.

Re: (Score:2)

by Vlad_the_Inhaler ( 32958 )

> Like a poisoned and poisonous LLM trained on complete bullshit.

That raises a question: Was that post composed by an LLM or has it subsequently been used as input to something like Grok?

As to "lack of respect", respect can be earned but so can its lack.

Re: (Score:1)

by Epeeist ( 2682 )

> That's assuming Trump doesn't do the usual Trump-y thing

Is there a Trump equivalent to "windmills" for water power? Can we expect statements about "water wheels don't work" or has he gone completely "Mad King George"?

Quebec use 99% hydro & from renewable electric (Score:4, Informative)

by ls671 ( 1122017 )

Just in case some don't know, Quebec use 99% hydro and from renewable electricity and still has quite a bit leftover to export:

[1]https://www.hydroquebec.com/ab... [hydroquebec.com]

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

[1] https://www.hydroquebec.com/about/our-energy.html

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydro-Qu%C3%A9bec

Re: (Score:2)

by BadgerStork ( 7656678 )

ooo an on topic thread ...

Apparently it is a DC connection and this is why it needs "thousands of valves". The valves are not valves they are individual power semiconductors in serial to manage the massive voltage and the "fiber wires" are fiber

Hey Canada, here's a hint (Score:1)

by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 )

Keep your energy to provide it to Canadians for cheaper. The US has plenty of oil and coal I've been told.

Re:Hey Canada, here's a hint (Score:4, Informative)

by ls671 ( 1122017 )

As I posted above, Quebec uses 99% hydro and renewable and still has plenty to export. They sell some to Ontario and the maritime provinces but it's more a matter of transmission lines. Selling it to British Columbia or Alberta would be harder at the moment due to the lack of transmission lines as well as transmission losses if there were any. So, there is still some available to sell to the near states in United States at market price there or a bit lower.

By the way, Hydro-Quebec is owned by the government and all the profits go to the government and helps paying the cost of running the government like education, roads and social programs etc. Citizens in Quebec pay around 7 cents a KWh at that's Canadian money where 1 $CAN == 0.70 $US

Wouldn't it be easier ... (Score:2)

by quenda ( 644621 )

and a lot cheaper to just move the data centres to northern NY State, and run fiber optics down to the city?

renewable (Score:2)

by fluffernutter ( 1411889 )

Hydroelectricity is not considered a renewable resource. They require a lot of maintenance by machinery run by fossil fuels and also the methane released by the unnatural basin is one of the worst GHGs. Better than most sources of power but no pancrea.

The NY Times ain't what it used to be (Score:3)

by bradley13 ( 1118935 )

Bizarre journalism. The NY Times really isn't what it used to be. Cables as "round as cantaloupes"? We assume they meant to describe the thickness. A structure as heavy as a "small humpback whale"? I have no idea how big (or small) that might be. Some actual, useful facts would be nice. Voltage? Watts? It's probably a fascinating engineering project, but someone needs to go back to journalism school.

For anyone curious, the CHPE site (the first link) does have some better info: 1250MW, 339 miles of cable.

Re: (Score:2)

by bazorg ( 911295 )

I wonder if the newspaper website has a switch for people to choose between "Basic maths" vs "weird analogies".

How dumbed down can you get? (Score:2)

by mattr ( 78516 )

Cantaloups, Dinosaurs, small humpback whales, Star Wars.. even the guy running it (who is that guy anyway?) says it is "mind boggling". This is a site for nerds. Is there a non-paywalled place to see this amazing room they are talking about? That's all I want to see! And how about using metric units for things? It's a thing! I am really worried that things being impossible to understand, mind boggling and far beyond human capabilities, is even a thing these days. Also for people running CUDA they might like

Re: (Score:2)

by mattr ( 78516 )

Okay maybe they are talking about the DC Converter Hall mentioned on

[1]https://chpexpress.com/ [chpexpress.com] ? Seriously Google gemini overview is giving more interesting info. ..

The DC Hall is a key component of the Main Converter Building at the TDI CHPExpress Astoria HVDC Converter Station. Part of the 31-45 20th Avenue facility in Queens, it houses equipment for converting high-voltage direct current (HVDC) to high-voltage alternating current (HVAC). The station, including the DC Hall, is designed with GridLink Intercon

[1] https://chpexpress.com/

Re: (Score:2)

by mattr ( 78516 )

Okay enough searching.. way to get us excited. Apparently it is not done yet or at least no photos are shown of the finished building just a crane outside (off a LInkedIn page) and something being set up in the DC Hall (on the Astoria progress site) which is otherwise empty. The Interconnect site shows a cool photo of the European project so I guess we can imagine, it looks like a big substation..

small humpback whale (Score:2)

by ThurstonMoore ( 605470 )

It's been a while since that unit of measure was commonly used.

New England line just connected (Score:2)

by Uninvited Guest ( 237316 )

The similar New England Clean Energy Connect project just came online in January 2026, delivering 1,200 MW (yes, nearly 1.21 gigawatts) from Quebec to New England states through Maine.

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