News: 0179879740

  ARM Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life (Terry Pratchett, Jingo)

California Colleges Test AI Partnerships. Critics Complain It's Risky and Wasteful (msn.com)

(Monday October 27, 2025 @12:34AM (EditorDavid) from the hired-education dept.)


America's largest university system, with 460,000 students, is the 22-campus "Cal State" system, [1]reports the New York Times . And it's recently teamed with Amazon, OpenAI and Nvidia, hoping to embed chatbots in both teaching and learning to become what it says will be America's "first and largest AI-empowered" university" — and prepare students for "increasingly AI-driven" careers.

It's part of a trend of major universities inviting tech companies into "a much bigger role as education thought partners, AI instructors and curriculum providers," argues the New York Times, where "dominant tech companies are now helping to steer what an entire generation of students learn about AI, and how they use it — with little rigorous evidence of educational benefits and mounting concerns that chatbots are spreading misinformation and eroding critical thinking..."

"Critics say Silicon Valley's effort to make AI chatbots integral to education amounts to a mass experiment on young people."

> As part of the effort, [Cal State] is paying OpenAI $16.9 million to provide ChatGPT Edu, the company's tool for schools, to more than half a million students and staff — which OpenAI heralded as the world's largest rollout of ChatGPT to date. Cal State also set up an AI committee, whose members include representatives from a dozen large tech companies, to help identify the skills California employers need and improve students' career opportunities... Cal State is not alone. Last month, California Community Colleges, the nation's largest community college system, announced a collaboration with Google to supply the company's "cutting edge AI tools" and training to 2.1 million students and faculty. In July, Microsoft pledged $4 billion for teaching AI skills in schools, community colleges and to adult workers...

>

> [A]s schools like Cal State work to usher in what they call an "AI-driven future," some researchers warn that universities risk ceding their independence to Silicon Valley. "Universities are not tech companies," Olivia Guest and Iris van Rooij, two computational cognitive scientists at Radboud University in the Netherlands, recently said in comments arguing against fast AI adoption in academia. "Our role is to foster critical thinking," the researchers said, "not to follow industry trends uncritically...."

>

> Some faculty members have pushed back against the AI effort, as the university system faces steep budget cuts. The multimillion-dollar deal with OpenAI — which the university did not open to bidding from rivals like Google — was wasteful, they added. Faculty senates on several Cal State campuses passed resolutions this year criticizing the AI initiative, saying the university had failed to adequately address students using chatbots to cheat. Professors also said administrators' plans glossed over the risks of AI to students' critical thinking and ignored troubling industry labor practices and environmental costs.

>

> Martha Kenney, a professor of women and gender studies at San Francisco State University, described the AI program as a Cal State marketing vehicle helping tech companies promote unproven chatbots as legitimate educational tools.

The article notes that Cal State's chief information officer "defended the OpenAI deal, saying the company offered ChatGPT Edu at an unusually low price.

"Still, California's community college system landed AI chatbot services from Google for more than 2 million students and faculty — nearly four times the number of users Cal State is paying OpenAI for — for free."



[1] https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/news/big-tech-makes-cal-state-its-ai-training-ground/ar-AA1PbqOk



Sounds like the enshittification of education (Score:2)

by gweihir ( 88907 )

Great. This will go well.

Re: (Score:2)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

How so? If anything AI would increase human abilities.As for knowledge who cares if it's in your brain or encoded in silicon/electrons? If you can retrieve and use it at the opportune time that's good enough. If I ask you to give me the design for a bridge, if you present me a design based on your knowledge or one that AI produced .. it is the quality of the *design* that matters. I shouldn't actually care where you got it from (unless you stole it, in which case there are legal consequences), I should only

Re: (Score:2)

by TheMiddleRoad ( 1153113 )

Are you a fan of the All-Drug Olympics?

Re: (Score:2)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

Are you in favor of getting rid of cars and resorting to walking or running everywhere? I mean, the Olympics is for entertainment and showcasing natural human ability -- drugged up athletes don't meet that criteria. As I said before, if I need a bridge design, I am not going to deliberately handicap it. I am going to want the best possible design. Are humans are so dumb I have to repeat myself? Not a good sign. Maybe you should try to argue (with non-contrived examples or evidence) that the purely human des

Re: (Score:2)

by Brain-Fu ( 1274756 )

AI isn't at that level. This is by far the most common misconception about AI, and you have fallen for it as well.

AI cannot reliably solve novel problems, nor can it reliably produce high quality work like a design for a bridge. We still need humans to do that. And, the evidence is right before our eyes: bridge architects still have jobs. If AI could do this, all the bridge architects in the world would immediately be fired, since they cost so much more than AI.

I must belabor this point: yes, we have se

Re: (Score:2)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

First off, I believe I implied they should work with the AI .. while it can't fully design a bridge yet, it is not far from being able to do so. It will, once it can interface with tools like autocad and utilize templates etc.). It doesn't just do "pattern matching" it can reason also. You can ask it things like "what are the structural components of a suspension bridge?" or "what type of bridge is best across a 500 ft canyon that's 1000 feet deep?" It will suggest a type and tell you why that type is supe

Pepsi generation advertising (Score:2)

by will4 ( 7250692 )

Same story again, like how Microsoft was giving away for $10 office, development tools, etc. since the 1990s to get students AKA future corporate decision makers into the life long Microsoft purchasing habit.

The AI chatbot, search tools, note taking, whatever are more of the same - capturing interactions (surveillance capitalism, Facebook, etc) to package and sell at a later date.

So, this dogfood factory... (Score:2)

by Type44Q ( 1233630 )

So, this dogfood factory runs on dogfood.

\o/ (Score:2)

by easyTree ( 1042254 )

The article notes that Cal State's chief information officer "defended the OpenAI deal, saying the company offered ChatGPT Edu at an unusually low price.

I wonder why they offered their product at an unusually low price - perhaps they're eager to get access to your students? You could probably have had them pay you. .

No choice (Score:3)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

Kids ARE using AI and they will continue to do so. Do what happened to math classes when calculators came out. Increase the breadth and amount of problems they are given to solve.

Re: (Score:2)

by TheMiddleRoad ( 1153113 )

There are significant differences between calculators and AI. With calculators, one must know what they are doing but do not have to do the drudgery. With AI, one does not need to know what one is doing, and the entire purpose of education is to make one know what they are doing.

Re: (Score:2)

by noshellswill ( 598066 )

The first couple rounds of electronic calculators were precious-little better/faster than the slide-rules they replaced. Except ... slide-rules didn't need a battery ! While 3.5-digit accuracy will get you to the other side of Jupiter.

Re: (Score:2)

by registrations_suck ( 1075251 )

That's a dumb way to address that issue.

The correct way to address it is by designing your problems such that a calculator provides no advantage.

A calculator is useless if you don't know what to do with it.

My prediction (Score:2)

by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 )

In 20 years, the movie Idiocracy will be fully realized.

Re: (Score:2)

by Krishnoid ( 984597 )

I'm guessing [1]sooner [youtu.be] in the area of medicine.

[1] https://youtu.be/vhl5ObsQZfQ

License AI to offer ultra-cheap micro-courses (Score:2)

by sonamchauhan ( 587356 )

If I want to learn (say), how to do Markov chain Monte Carlo methods, I need to scrounge around learning materials online, or signup for a Statistics degree.

Why not create a framework for the user's AI to contact the university AI, formulate a learning plan involving university course content and past assignments, and maybe 3rd party content. A course tailored to the user like a well fitting suit, readied in seconds and costing a few bucks.

To convert the micro-courses to a micro-credential, the user

College AI be like .. (Score:2)

by Mirnotoriety ( 10462951 )

Going on the current versions, college AI will hide facts, spout self serving corporate propaganda and downright lie.

Your files are now being encrypted and thrown into the bit bucket.
EOF