Supreme Court Allows Trump to Fire Remaining Democrat On FTC (npr.org)
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- News link: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/25/09/22/233257/supreme-court-allows-trump-to-fire-remaining-democrat-on-ftc
- Source link: https://www.npr.org/2025/09/22/nx-s1-5550307/supreme-court-ftc-firing
> Congress created the FTC and lots of other agencies to be multi-member, bipartisan regulatory agencies. And the Supreme Court in 1935 upheld those statutes ruling ruled against then-President Franklin D. Roosevelt's claim that he could fire FTC commissioners at will. In a unanimous opinion at the time, the court said Congress acted within its powers in declaring that a commissioner could only be fired for misconduct -- not for a policy disagreement. But now, prodded by President Trump, the court's six-member conservative majority seems poised to remake the way independent agencies operate. And if the handwriting on the wall is as clear as it seems to be, the independent agencies won't be independent. Their membership will be subject to the will of the president.
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> The court's action Monday was hardly subtle. While the lower courts had ruled that the president could not fire Slaughter, under the court's 1935 precedent, the conservative Supreme Court majority allowed the president to fire her. Indeed, her name isn't even on the FTC website anymore. And the court so far has allowed Trump to fire other agency board members. In short, the justices are not playing hide-the-ball. And it's a good bet that the court will reverse the 1935 precedent, which until now had been reaffirmed multiple times. The result will be that whereas in the past, these agencies had to be bipartisan, with a minority of opposition party members, now there will be no such requirement. In short, Trump can name all the agency members. And if his successor is a Democrat, he or she can fire all the Republicans.
[1] https://www.npr.org/2025/09/22/nx-s1-5550307/supreme-court-ftc-firing
Utter disrespect (Score:5, Insightful)
They will later complain that nobody told them this was going to backfire. They will act like it was a minor thing and try to blame the Democrats for not stopping them. Everything the Republicans, the Heritage foundation and the Federalist society rely on assumes that American Exceptionalism cannot be defeated simply by them completely undermining all the mechanisms that created it.
The American century is over.
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But at least I'm able to grab women by the pussy again and tell those uppity negroes to get back to the fields.
Precedents only matter when SCOTUS says they do (Score:5, Insightful)
The article states that a Democrat in office after Trump could fire all the Republican board members, but the way SCOTUS is acting now, I wouldn't assume they would find the opposite as soon as a Conservative isn't in office. Since precedents clearly no longer matter, and whatnot.
Re:Precedents only matter when SCOTUS says they do (Score:5, Insightful)
You're assuming that we're able to have another election. Declaring everything is an emergency and putting armed federal troops in cities is totally normal, right?
Re:Precedents only matter when SCOTUS says they do (Score:4, Insightful)
Bush v Gore was the first time that the Supremes ever included the statement that a judgement of theirs could not be used in the future to establish a precedent for any other case. Of course it was used just that way within two years.
Re:Precedents only matter when SCOTUS says they do (Score:4)
yeah, that's why SCOTUS was not given Judicial Review powers in the Constitution and just declared fifteen years later that it had that ultimate power "because we have to".
The Legislature is supposed to manage this nonsense. It has been in a coma since 1995.
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I would argue the coma started during the Wilson Administration.
Re: Precedents only matter when SCOTUS says they d (Score:1)
Only since 1995 you say? My friend, it goes back much further than that. Ever since it let FDR radically remake the federal government, and maybe further than that. Our founders would not recognize the government today.
Shocked! (Score:5, Funny)
You're telling me a court that he filled with stooges gives him favorable judgements!
This ts the most partisan, (Score:5, Insightful)
activist court in American history. The conservative judges are a disgrace and should be impeached.
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There aren't any that aren't conservative, there's just moderate conservatives, far right wingnut conservatives, and the batshit loonies.
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Ronald Reagan is a "leftist woketard" in today's climate. Would you like to discuss it further?
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Richard Nixon would have been too liberal to get even the Democratic nomination today.
First they came... (Score:2, Funny)
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a
Holy fucking shit (Score:4, Informative)
This is just flat out illegal. This is literally not what the law says. This is a flat-out constitutional crisis people. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
I don't have anything funny or insightful to say here just fuck.
This isn't reversing a precedent this is a fundamental breakdown in the rule of law. Barring a miracle our Republic is dead and Trump voters killed it.
I hope whatever the fuck you think you got from Trump was worth it.
Re: Holy fucking shit (Score:1)
Agreed. Leftists can rage all they like, but electing Trump saved our democracy.
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No, you gave us a king.
The American presidency was never supposed to be like this.
Let's see... (Score:5, Interesting)
...where we're at so far:
- Direct attacks on the scientific, intellectual and artistic communities;
- Direct threats on the sovereinty of allied nations;
- Direct governement threats on freedom of the press;
- Random unlawfull arrests of people off the streets;
- No due process;
- Unlawfull deportations of certain ethnic groups blamed for all the whoes of the nation;
- Children forcefully separated from their parents and imprisonned;
- Concentration camps;
- Army marching on the streets of the capital and other major cities.
This all sounds vaguely familiar... Where have I seen that before ?
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> This all sounds vaguely familiar... Where have I seen that before ?
> You have perfectly described communism.
> National socialists also have done this. That is why socialism and communism are a cancer on society.
National Socialists, now where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, the shortened form described the party that started WW2.
Seems like the GOP under Trump are replicating all their policies.
Re: Let's see... (Score:2)
I assume by this comment that you think urinal cakes are a dessert.
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You probably think they're a terrorist organization.
Shit for brains.
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We're unironically doing communism now. The government has direct control over a vital industry. [1]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/2... [cnbc.com]
[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/20/trump-golden-share-us-steel.html
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Fascism! It's fascism that's happening with this. Fascists do the weird private / government ownership thing. Communism is it's all government owned.
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Don't forget getting rid of comedians. Because the "fuck your feelings" crowd has the most fragile feelings of all.
SCOTUS is a joke. (Score:1)
So, the supposedly "great" founding fathers chose to establish a Supreme Court where its members are political appointees by the president (and for life!). Did they think a president would appoint members based on their competency? When has this ever happened? Naturally, the Supreme Court will follow the political ideology of its members. The US will never be democratic while their Supreme body is not. It is a fundamentally broken system, unfixable under the present constitution. complaining about single ru
The fact that this only has 37 comments (Score:1)
As of this writing is the problem with this country.
This is an overturning of 90 plus years of precedence for no particularly good reason. Is a clear violation of law. We should all be freaking the fuck out right now. The thread should have at least 500 comments on it.
The problem is I don't think people understand how bad this is. And that's how Trump got to be president twice. People do not understand the systems that protect them let alone that those systems have completely broken down
Three different reasons this is bad (Score:5, Informative)
There are at least three different reasons this is bad.
First, this is one more sign (of about 15 court cases at this point) that this court is willing to give Trump massive powers simply because he is pushing for them and they agree with him politically. And there's no reason to remotely think he's going to stop.
Second, it means that the Presidency (already an already too powerful office in the modern form for any one person) is going to be even more powerful under for the first time under a far more authoritarian person without any safeguards in place.
Third, is more subtle: even if we get through this with Trump with only some damage, the long-term damage and threat to stability is massive. In general, parliamentary systems or presidential systems with somewhat weak presidencies are more stable than those with powerful presidencies. One sees this in for example the high instability in many presidential republics in Central America and South America. The standard explanation for this is that when there's functionally a winner-take-all system, the stakes becoming higher and the degree to which any side has an incentive to moderate becomes small. One question then is why this hasn't happened in the US? One explanation is that the US had the illusion of a not deeply strong President, in part because everyone (including the Presidents) agreed tacitly not to push the limits of their authority that much. The precedent breaking nature here undermines that illusion, and makes it more likely that we'll have years (possibly decades) where the Democrats and Republicans will even more than usual treat everything as a zero sum game with no respects for democratic norms.
The bottom line is that everything about this is bad.
Re:Three different reasons this is bad (Score:5, Insightful)
It is not lost on me that during the Biden and Obama administrations the supreme court tended towards limiting Executive power, then during the trump administrations have leant towards a massive expansion of them.
When sane government eventually returns i think it would be prudent for congress to actually set out some clear boundaries as to executive power, and work towards a separation of public service from executive power. Because this is all bullshit. In MOST countries while there will be ministers in charge of things, government departments will tend to hire independently of politics so as to remain strictly neutral. The government wins by a strengthening of democratic norms, and the people win by having a government that isnt tied up with shit politics.
And the supreme court needs to fuck off with this partisan judge bullshit. Again, this "democrat" or "republican" judge thing is another american special and boy is it an error. Judges should be impartial interpreters of the laws and constitutions, not the corrupt activists dominating the supreme court right now.
Re:Three different reasons this is bad (Score:4, Insightful)
> When sane government eventually returns
Ah, you dewy eyed optimist . . .
I'm really afraid that this is the beginning of the end of the 250 year experiment. Oh, well, we had a pretty good run.
Re:Three different reasons this is bad (Score:5, Insightful)
> It is not lost on me that during the Biden and Obama administrations the supreme court tended towards limiting Executive power, then during the trump administrations have leant towards a massive expansion of them.
Trump has been batting 1000 at the Supreme Court when it comes to executive power, or executive immunity. Either our Constitution was designed to have an elected King, and we only discovered that fact 230 years later, or our Supreme Court is supremely corrupt. I tend to believe the latter, as it seems there are only two rules at the Supreme Court: (1) There are no rules, and (2) Trump always wins.
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When you are right you are right. Like usual, if you read the Constitution you find out that these "Stand Alone" agencies likely aren't Constitutional! What you say? Well there are just 3 parts of the government defined - you won't find those agencies described or the mechanisms Congress created in the Constitution if you go look. So they have to exist SOMEWHEE within one of the three branches. If the President is the on that gets to nominate the "principal officers" that are the folks that run these agen
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If it's that simple, why did SCOTUS create an exception for the Federal Reserve?
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Take the guns first, go through due process second
-Donald Trump 02/28/2018
[1]https://thehill.com/homenews/a... [thehill.com]
[1] https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/
Well at least... (Score:2)
Well at least Kimmel will be coming back, right?
Seriously though, given all the news like this it is nice to see at least somebody defying Trump totalitarianism even if it is something small.