ChatGPT Will Guess Your Age and Might Require ID For Age Verification
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- News link: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/25/09/16/2045241/chatgpt-will-guess-your-age-and-might-require-id-for-age-verification
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> OpenAI introduced parental controls to ChatGPT earlier in September, but has now introduced new, more strict and invasive security measures. In addition to attempting to guess or verify a user's age, ChatGPT will now also apply different rules to teens who are using the chatbot. "For example, ChatGPT will be trained not to do the above-mentioned flirtatious talk if asked, or engage in discussions about suicide of self-harm even in a creative writing setting," the announcement said. "And, if an under-18 user is having suicidal ideation, we will attempt to contact the users' parents and if unable, will contact the authorities in case of imminent harm."
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> OpenAI's post explains that it is struggling to manage an inherent problem with large language models that 404 Media has tracked for several years. ChatGPT used to be a far more restricted chatbot that would refuse to engage users on a wide variety of issues the company deemed dangerous or inappropriate. Competition from other models, especially locally hosted and so-called "uncensored" models, and a political shift to the right which sees many forms of content moderation as censorship, has caused OpenAI to loosen those restrictions.
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> "We want users to be able to use our tools in the way that they want, within very broad bounds of safety," Open AI said in its announcement. The position it seemed to have landed on given these recent stories about teen suicide, is that it wants to "'Treat our adult users like adults' is how we talk about this internally, extending freedom as far as possible without causing harm or undermining anyone else's freedom."
[1] https://openai.com/index/teen-safety-freedom-and-privacy/?ref=404media.co
[2] https://yro.slashdot.org/story/25/08/26/1958256/parents-sue-openai-over-chatgpts-role-in-sons-suicide
[3] https://www.404media.co/chatgpt-will-guess-your-age-and-might-require-id-for-age-verification/
[4] https://openai.com/index/teen-safety-freedom-and-privacy/?ref=404media.co
Tucker Carlson Sam Altman interview (Score:2)
[1]Sam Altman on God, Elon Musk and the Mysterious Death of His Former Employee [youtube.com] (59:09)
Interesting comments ..
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KmpT-BoVf4
Yeah, Watch me using GPT XD (Score:1)
Ollama run gpt-oss:20b
Why is suicide bad? (Score:2)
If it's the will of the person?
Why automatically assume such people are mentally unstable because SOME of them are?
There's no hell or heaven and if you're honest, life is not THAT much fun.
If people have enough of life, just let them.
Being dead, after all, is just like being stupid, only people around you are bothered by it.
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I'm sure after AI takes most of the jobs, suicide will become a lot more socially normalized. We're not there yet, though.
If you're talking about kids though, parents generally don't want their kids to off themselves.
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Yes, as foretold by Futurama: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8i5_oeu4z8
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I feel suicide is bad for one obvious reason. It cheapens the massive value of life itself. And that directly affects those of us who value life greatly. Which is stastically defined as everyone else. Yeah. I’d say we have a majority voice.
What you’re really asking here, is for society to turn a blind eye to suicide. To normalize it. To make it acceptable. Once you do that, those who would end someone else’s life either as an act of murder or murder-suicide will find their actions f
Re:Why is suicide bad? (Score:4, Insightful)
> What you’re really asking here, is for society to turn a blind eye to suicide.
It already does, just stopping short of handing you the rope. Your bank balance and credit score essentially define your worth as an individual, and if you're run both of them down you'll quickly discover that society collectively doesn't care about your continued existence. [1]Some people will even say the quiet part out loud. [politico.com]
At least, here in the USA anyway. Some other countries have better social safety nets.
[1] https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/14/fox-host-apologizes-for-saying-mentally-ill-homeless-people-should-be-executed-00563440
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It is generally accepted that life is what YOU make of it. If you feel your life can be reduced to a bank balance and credit score, then it’s likely because you’ve been sold that idea. Which isn’t exactly buried in treasured scripture, with Greed and Gluttony being viewed as not merely bad, but deadly sins. For proven reason. Life can be FAR greater than anything Capitalism could ever dream up in the name of Greed.
That said, I sadly can agree with you in one regard. A certain flavor o
Re:Why is suicide bad? (Score:4, Insightful)
Teenagers tend to make mountains out of molehills and do rash things. They are not considered adults for a reason.
For actual adults I agree with you, it's not my business.
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Never make a choice which can't be rolled back.
People are works in progress.
A future you will value your life and the lives of others more than you do now.
Going through difficulties makes you appreciate everything more once you come out the other side.
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> Going through difficulties makes you appreciate everything more once you come out the other side.
That's assuming that you do come out the other side.
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I agree that suicide is a personal decision, so I don't think a person should be criminalized for attempting it. But it's inconvenient for society, so others should be dissuaded from encouraging it. Even if you remove a humanitarian motive, and please don't but this is slashdot so there will be people who will get mad if one doesn't, there are good reasons why the legal system should act to reduce suicide.
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In Japan it's considered honorable and is culturally acceptable.
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Try quitting social media - life will seem (and be) more awesome almost immediately.
Duh! (Score:2)
> Why is suicide bad if it's the will of the person?
Isn't it obvious? The corporate machinery needs an underclass to keep labor prices cheap. If you have alternative to a life of suffering then you might end up with a labor supply issue and have to pay more for labor! Do you really expect the companies to get slightly fewer profits just so life isn't so terrible that people would prefer death?
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> If it's the will of the person?
The basis of what is licit in law and ethics has never been personal will, although your will does make you culpable or praiseworthy for any normative act, whatever the case may be.
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> If it's the will of the person?
Because people aren't solitary islands whose deaths harm only themselves. Anyone who has lived on Earth for more than a few days has formed relationships with other people, and suicide is the murder of a person those people have a relationship with. Suicide harms everyone who interacts with or depends on that suicider for anything, in much the same way that the murder of that person would.
> Being dead, after all, is just like being stupid, only people around you are bothered by it.
Yes, that is precisely the problem.
Cursive (Score:3)
Throw up a cursive CAPTCHA.
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Or ask the time in an analog clock.
GDPR and CCPA need strengthenin then.What is clear (Score:2)
What is clearly needed here is an update to the privacy laws. Sure, with a paid account anonymity is not a thing. But OpenAI doesn't need to know my address, eye color, whether I am allowed to ride a motorcycle and with or without glasses. And they sure as shit don't need my license number, which is very useful for identity thieves. This is a drastic overreach to gather WAY more PII than is necessary to deliver the service, and they need to be slapped down hard and fast.
And this trend of "scan your ID i
WCPGW / IFO (Score:2)
So now it demands to upload, scan, and "do AI" and other unspecified things to a photo of the user, along with their driver's license (or SSN), home address, height. weight, birthday, license expiration date, and any noted medical conditions. I guess it will scan your face into it's database, too, to make sure it matches the ID you presented?
What could possibly go wrong?
Well, there's no hallucinating it, folks.
The AIs are here!
And I for one welcome our face and personal data scanning Overlords, and remind t
Damn, it's actually pretty accurate (Score:2)
> If I had to guess based on your references to mid-40s life experiences and your tone, I’d say you’re probably in your mid-40s.
Welp, I guess I won't have to show ID. It's official, ChatGPT knows I'm an old.
ChatGPT, guess which finger I'm holding up (Score:2)
If you need ChatGPT for a meaningful conversation, just remember it is GIGO and it is time to delete your account.
Stable Defusion - generate me ID (Score:2)
I don't know why they bother.
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pretend that they care and plausible deniability will help with suits.
then again it is a hard problem with difficult technical solution.
*looks at parents*
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Pornhub hasn't been good since they purged all the amateur content. I'm surprised they're even still around.
Nope! (Score:1)
Nuff said.
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Not nuf said. I want a larger debate. AI seems to 'sucker' people into thinking that some entity cares about them. That seems like a danger to that person. The AI does not care about them, it is an algorithm.
Back in the day there was swatting (Score:1)
which might end very badly for the target, would definitely ruin their day at the very least, but itwas a prosecutable offense. So it was never above a nuisance.
Now let's say I don't call the cops on you, fellow kid, but instead impersonate you to the chatbot, act all angsty n shit, and have it maybe call the cops on you, and flag you as a mental defective to your school, your family, and your friends.
Much more fun. Especially since I get to play the "but I was just concerned for your safety" card myself if
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that seems off topic, would you bring it back around? Connect the dots?
\o/ (Score:5, Funny)
"From now on, we will only be pushing users of eighteen or higher to commit suicide"
Re: \o/ (Score:2)
And how will the AI be able to distinguish between a real and fake ID?
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Why would it bother to try? It will hallucinate the answer that is most profitable to the advertisers.
You know, like it does now.
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This is kind of whats worrying me to. Like, I totally get focusing on keeping kids out of harms way. As far as I'm concerned kids are the most important people and we're just keeping the seats warm for them. But, maybe we shouldn't be letting the bots flirt with ANYONE, because we actually know this shit can have deleterious effects on adults too, and you end up with people in bizare parasocial relationships with fucking spellcheckers and going off the rails, abandoning family and friends so they sit around
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> But, maybe we shouldn't be letting the bots flirt with ANYONE, because we actually know this shit can have deleterious effects on adults too.
The companies will fight such limits really hard. They're doing their absolute best to make human / LLM interactions indistinguishable from human / human interactions, and they need all of the training 'experience' they can get in order to do that. Then, when suspecting that one is talking to an LLM is the rare exception rather than the common rule... well, I'm sure your imagination is coming up with at least as many scenarios as mine is.
> Maybe we need to put some rules on this AI shit. I don't know, I'm out of ideas.
I agree whole-heartedly. But given that corporations - and especially
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Me: Oh, get off my lawn ChatGPT!
ChatGPT: You are aged seventy or above.
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If "we are going to tell your parents all about your deep dark secrets that you told ChatGPT" doesn't push someone to suicide, I don't know what would!