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'Firefox Is Dead To Me' (theregister.com)

(Tuesday June 17, 2025 @11:25AM (msmash) from the enough-is-enough dept.)


Veteran columnist Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols declared that Firefox was "dead" to him in [1]a scathing opinion piece Tuesday that cites Mozilla's strategic missteps and the browser's declining technical performance as evidence of terminal decline. Vaughan-Nichols argues that Mozilla has fundamentally [2]betrayed user trust by removing a longstanding promise never to sell personal data from its privacy policy in February, replacing it with a weaker pledge to "protect your personal information."

The veteran technology writer also criticized Mozilla's [3]decision to discontinue Pocket , a popular article-saving service, and Fakespot, which identified fake online reviews, while pursuing what he called a misguided AI strategy. He cited user reports of Firefox running up to 30% slower than Chrome, consuming excessive memory, and failing to properly load major websites. Mozilla has also become financially more vulnerable, he argued, noting CFO Eric Muhlheim's admission that the company depends on Google for 90% of its revenue. According to federal data he cited, Firefox holds just 1.9% of the browser market, leading him to conclude the browser is "done."



[1] https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/17/opinion_column_firefox/

[2] https://tech.slashdot.org/story/25/02/28/2021259/mozilla-responds-to-backlash-over-new-terms-saying-its-not-using-peoples-data-for-ai

[3] https://tech.slashdot.org/story/25/05/22/1759238/mozilla-is-shutting-down-pocket



Re: (Score:2)

by thecombatwombat ( 571826 )

"Mozilla however has been a dumpster fire since they ousted Brendan Eich."

Kind of begrudgingly . . . yeah. That's it. They've had bad times ever since. They need an engineer back in charge. They need their Lisa Su or Jensen Huang, someone who really, deeply understands what they can and can't get done, and can really focus their development on the things that get the most for the least effort.

They haven't had that since Brendan Eich. And it's been a mess in a lot of ways.

I'm optimistic about a lot of what t

Re: (Score:2)

by Valgrus Thunderaxe ( 8769977 )

Yes. They employed the inventor of fucking JavaScript, and they fired him because they didn't like the way he voted. Very sad state of affairs.

I still like it (Score:3)

by MBGMorden ( 803437 )

I dunno. Chrome keeps restricting what extensions can do to the point where a lot of ad blockers and stuff are having trouble continuing to function. All of those extensions continue to work as expected on Firefox.

Granted, Chrome is mostly open source so one could just make a version that doesn't restrict what extensions can do, but either way I'm not liking Google trying to dictate what I can an can't run on the browser.

Re: (Score:2)

by The-Ixian ( 168184 )

Yeah, same.

I continue to use Firefox as I always have. I have not noticed any performance difference between Edge, Chrome and Firefox. I use all three daily for different purposes.

'Firefox Is Dead To Me' (Score:2)

by Errol backfiring ( 1280012 )

Long live [1]Pale Moon [palemoon.org]!

[1] https://www.palemoon.org/

Re: (Score:2)

by FudRucker ( 866063 )

I love Palemoon (old Firefox) the user interface is the best, Firefox shot itself in the foot when they moved away from it

Re: (Score:2)

by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

Pale Moon is just decade old Firefox code.

FF is in a mediocre state (Score:2)

by thoper ( 838719 )

FF is bad now, but the alternatives are worse. total google dependency is a dealbreaker.

Re: (Score:2)

by greytree ( 7124971 )

Avoiding Firefox when possible was the only reasonable course after they fucked over their Android users by banning Extensions "for your own good" because they are pathetic nannies who think they know best.

But Google Do Evil, so fuck them too.

Firefox needs a new "Phoenix" (Score:2)

by xack ( 5304745 )

I've been using Firefox since it was "Mozilla", that's before it was even Phoenix. I've been using the internet for almost 26 years now and I feel that Mozilla in it's current form is not sustainable. Firefox has too many unfixed bugs on Android so I use the Ecosia browser, and only use Firefox on desktop. While I'm a big fan of the Ladybird project (and Servo too), what I feel we really need if for all the competing Firefox forks like Zen, Waterfox, Pale Moon etc really need to band together and form a new

Firefox run a kind of slow (Score:2)

by FudRucker ( 866063 )

On my low spec android phone, but it works decently on my Dell Latitude and iPhone, Firefox is about the only thing going that isn't chrome/chromium under the hood, the browser war is over and it is the people that lost to big tech, so corporate enshitification is the future of the internet

Re: (Score:2)

by SoCalChris ( 573049 )

> on my Dell Latitude and iPhone, Firefox is about the only thing going that isn't chrome/chromium under the hood

Firefox on iOS is just a re-skinned Safari, as are ALL browsers on iOS. I still use it since it keeps my tabs and browsing history in sync, but it's just Safari.

Why was he running Firefox? (Score:2)

by Mononymous ( 6156676 )

If he's fine with switching to Chrome, then he wasn't running Firefox for the right reasons anyway.

Chrome is proprietary spyware. If you care about privacy and/or open source, then you don't run Chrome.

Actual adblocking is never going to be possible on Chrome again. No one who wants a usable web will run it.

If the decision to discontinue the universally-detested Pocket was a strike against Mozilla for him, this man isn't worth listening to.

I don't see the issues at all (Score:2)

by evanh ( 627108 )

I use Firefox on what is now ageing 2017 hardware and it seems very fast and snappy all the time. And never had it crash even once. But then I also use anti-tracking plugins, along with automatic cookie wipes. Maybe they help with the speed at least.

If I may- (Score:3)

by IWantMoreSpamPlease ( 571972 )

I recently switched to Firefox, for a number of reasons that really aren't relevant to this post, but his arguments (at least in the summary) don't hold water in my experience.

(1) Pocket: One of the first things I remove when customizing FF. I've not seen anyone suggest it, and seen a fair amount of dislike for it.

(2) Memory Use: Perhaps valid prior to 2000, but c'mon, every system I've worked with (both at home and at work) have a minimum of 16GB of RAM, the days of a 4GB system with a spinner drive are long long gone. Pop on some, quite required actually, ad-blockers, and use isn't any worse than Chromium or Safari browsers.

(3) Failing to load websites: Name one. In point of fact, since Chrome and Edge are built under the same structure, I often use FF to troubleshoot website weirdness to see where the problem really is. Sure, experience of one here, but I've not seen any site (from private, individual user, to public corp to gov't) mis-load under FF.

(4) Personal data for sale: Okay, I'll give him that, if he can prove it's happening.

(5) Low browser marketshare: So? Does FF stop working because it's got a small number? Quick, better let Linux know this!

This guy sounds like he's whinging just to put out some clickbait article. Not buying it.

Activists are actively dangerous to FOSS projects (Score:1)

by DeplorableCodeMonkey ( 4828467 )

It simply does not matter what you think about LGBTQ+. The fact is that the people who are socially center-right on this have a vote, and Firefox's marketshare collapsed when they fired Eich for supporting Prop 8. I remember seeing the outrage all across that part of the Internet.

It was so bad that if Mitchell Baker and her allies who wanted Eich gone were actively conspiring for personal profit or ideological reasons with Google to shift users over to Chrome they would have been hard-pressed to find a lawf

Yet another Register hit piece (Score:3)

by wickerprints ( 1094741 )

I'd rather use a slower browser that honors the user's choice of extensions--in particular those that block malicious content and privacy-violating advertising trackers--than an ostensibly faster browser that is created by a company whose entire business model is to gather as much tracking data about you in order to sell it to advertisers.

There are alternatives to both Firefox and Chrome. But choosing to use Chrome because Firefox isn't perfect is either the height of idiocy, or being paid to promote Google products.

Why Does This Jackass Still Have A Megaphone? (Score:2)

by SlashbotAgent ( 6477336 )

I really don't know why Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is still permitted to have a megaphone.

He's always been a clueless ass. But, defending the useless piece of shit that was Pocket proves my assertion. Everyone hated Pocket, from day one. Nobody used Pocket, despite Mozilla's best efforts. Finally they dump it, to cheers, and this ass-clown is vexed.

Firefox is trying to kill itself. But, anyone reading Vaughan-Nichols drivel is wasting their life.

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