FTC Bans Location Data Company That Powers the Surveillance Ecosystem (404media.co)
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- News link: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/12/03/1628201/ftc-bans-location-data-company-that-powers-the-surveillance-ecosystem
- Source link: https://www.404media.co/ftc-bans-location-data-company-that-powers-the-surveillance-ecosystem/
> Venntel, through its parent company Gravy Analytics, takes location data from smartphones, either through ordinary apps installed on them or through the advertising ecosystem, and then provides that data feed to other companies who sell location tracking technology to the government or sells the data directly itself.
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> Venntel is the company that provides the underlying data for a variety of other government contractors and surveillance tools, including Locate X. 404 Media and a group of other journalists recently revealed Locate X could be used to pinpoint phones that visited abortion clinics. The FTC says in a proposed order that Gravy and Venntel will be banned from selling, disclosing, or using sensitive location data, except in "limited circumstances" involving national security or law enforcement.
[1] https://www.404media.co/ftc-bans-location-data-company-that-powers-the-surveillance-ecosystem/
So, nothing's going to change? (Score:3)
Title: " FTC Bans Location Data Company That Powers the Surveillance Ecosystem "
Summary:
> The FTC says in a proposed order that Gravy and Venntel will be banned from selling, disclosing, or using sensitive location data, except in "limited circumstances" involving national security or law enforcement .
So basically, no changes. This is a non-story.
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> Title: " FTC Bans Location Data Company That Powers the Surveillance Ecosystem "
> Summary:
>> The FTC says in a proposed order that Gravy and Venntel will be banned from selling, disclosing, or using sensitive location data, except in "limited circumstances" involving national security or law enforcement .
> So basically, no changes. This is a non-story.
Not exactly. Their proposal would make it so you or I would be unable to purchase that information (unless you are law enforcement, I'm guessing not but it's not safe for me to make that assumption). As it stands prior to this proposed order taking effect, we could theoretically purchase that info ourselves.
Limited circumstances means warrant (Score:2)
And it also means other private companies can't buy and mine the data.
Not that it matters. This is going to get overturned the second January 20th comes rolling around.
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I suspect that access will be limited to NRO, under Presidential control, and various Congressional select committees, as long as the republicans are in power
Then they will demand that all records be placed out of reach for the Dems taking power as a last act of self preservation
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> ...warrant
Or exigent circumstances. Which LE (and scammers) use to get data right away.
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The change is the lost ability for these firms to sell your location to anyone with a pulse if this passes.
good, but unlawful (Score:1)
I like banning it. But FTC has no legal basis to do so.
Re:good, but unlawful (Score:5, Informative)
That is an absurd assertion: Read the the FTC Commissioner's statement which explicitly references that fact that the actions of these companies falls under "constituting unfair or deceptive acts or practices in violation of Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act". [1]https://www.ftc.gov/system/fil... [ftc.gov]
[1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/gravy_-mobilewalla-ferguson-concurrence.pdf
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Remember folks, if MAGA blowhards say it's illegal then it's illegal. If you try to counter them with an argument, they'll just buy a new motorcoach and you'll be on your way to jail.
The FTC link (Score:3)
[1]https://www.ftc.gov/system/fil... [ftc.gov]
[1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/gravy_-mobilewalla-ferguson-concurrence.pdf
HIPAA is weak (Score:2)
Ever since smartphones, HIPAA is meaningless. The only reason why HIPAA has a chain of custody relationship to healthcare providers is because it was assumed they were they only ones that had the data. Now that location data or email data mining or whatever else can do an end-run about that, health privacy laws and other privacy laws need to be rewritten to account for the new reality.
Real Problem is Geolocation for Adverstising (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyone can pretend to be an advertiser, promiscuously make low bids on add slots and scrape all of the ad ids, demographic information and locations of every electronic device in the world. Until location information stops being promiscuously shared on ad markets, this ability to track everyone isn't going to go away. Every website that knows a name, email address or phone number also the corresponding Advertising ID. Far too many sites have the ability to tie these together.
sources still there (Score:3)
> either through ordinary apps installed on them or through the advertising ecosystem
Yeah, those apps and ads are still there, still tracking you, still cataloging all of it. Rather than getting middle-manned you can just go to the source, neat.
Abortion clinics (Score:2)
> Locate X could be used to pinpoint phones that visited abortion clinics
So, game the system. Get a load of used cell phones and carry them to some abortion clinics. Then load them into a [1]little red wagon [wired.com] and park it in some pro-life ministries parking lot. Let the finger pointing begin.
[1] https://www.wired.com/story/99-phones-fake-google-maps-traffic-jam/
Turn off the 'location' setting on your phone (Score:2)
Turn it on ONLY when absolutely necessary.
Or use a location spoofer
duckduckgo privacy (Score:2)
Install duckduckgo on your ANdroid cellphone and enable 'App tracking protection'. This installs an internal VPN on your phone that all the internet traffic has to pass through. Any tracking data gets intercepted and blocked, and you get a report on all the tracking attempts.
You will be astonished at how much of it there is. Almost every app I use is trying to export a whole raft of data, usually to multiple third parties. And it isn't just location, its everything they can get their hands on. The device bo
Cue the TX Taliban and FL Fucktards getting pissy (Score:1, Insightful)
We all know why the Republican Misogynistic Klan Shitbags would want this data.
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that might be the core reason behind this.
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Quite frankly, they already have it and, as demonstrated by the [1]Enquirer practice of catch and kill [wikipedia.org] for a price, they don't mind using it
Here is a [2]VERY interesting Wired piece on tracking visitors to Epstein Island [youtube.com]
I am sure that it was handy, leading up to the election, but must be squashed now that the republicans have a majority in all three divisions of the US federal government
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_kill
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjPHq-Ez0nc
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Anonymous Coward makes stupid comment.
Pretty much tracks here on slashdot.