Getty Images CEO Says Content-Scraping AI Groups Use 'Pure Theft' For Profit (fortune.com)
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- News link: https://slashdot.org/story/24/12/02/1910220/getty-images-ceo-says-content-scraping-ai-groups-use-pure-theft-for-profit
- Source link: https://fortune.com/2024/12/02/getty-images-ceo-respecting-fair-use-rules-wont-prevent-ai-from-curing-cancer-tech-law/
Acknowledging AI's potential benefits in areas like healthcare and climate change, Getty's chief executive argued against the industry's "all-or-nothing" approach to copyright. He specifically challenged Microsoft AI CEO Mustafa Suleyman's assertion that [2]web content has been "freeware" since the 1990s . The Getty chief advocated for applying fair use principles case-by-case, distinguishing between AI models for scientific advancement and commercial content generation. He also drew parallels to music streaming's evolution from Napster to licensed platforms like Spotify, suggesting AI companies could develop similar permission-based models.
He adds:
> As litigation slowly advances, AI companies advance an argument that there will be no AI absent the ability to freely scrape content for training, resulting in our inability to leverage the promise of AI to solve cancer, mitigate global climate change, and eradicate global hunger. Note that the companies investing in and building AI spend billions of dollars on talent, GPUs, and the required power to train and run these models -- but remarkably claim compensation for content owners is an unsurmountable challenge.
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> My focus is to achieve a world where creativity is celebrated and rewarded AND a world that is without cancer, climate change, and global hunger. I want the cake and to eat it. I suspect most of us want the same.
[1] https://fortune.com/2024/12/02/getty-images-ceo-respecting-fair-use-rules-wont-prevent-ai-from-curing-cancer-tech-law/
[2] https://slashdot.org/story/24/07/07/0054220/microsofts-ai-ceo-web-content-without-a-robotstxt-file-is-freeware-for-ai-training
Freeware. (Score:2)
OK, so I can use Microsoft content for free as well? Or just freely watch the ads they serve me on MSN?
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I found a bunch of Microsoft software on the internet, must all be freeware.
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Yes, you can go to microsoft.com, and read thousands of pages for free. You can even learn from them and remember their content without paying, and even paraphrase what you've learned for others, even quoting small portions! Only when you distribute large portions verbatim do they expect payment. When we can extract data from the brain I look forward to all the copyright lawsuits for the training material you scraped with your eyes, since there will now be some mechanism by which a 3rd party can bypass your
cancer, global climate change, global hunger... (Score:2)
but more importantly, the nightmarish AI reels you see on instagram
Someone who sells crap complains... (Score:2)
...about robots creating crap
Clip art and stock photos never made anything better
Stealing (Score:2, Interesting)
The same Getty Images that demands payment for public domain images and images they don't own
Re:Stealing (Score:4, Informative)
And for [1]copyrighted images they have no rights to, demanding payment from the person who does. [latimes.com]
[1] https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-getty-copyright-20160729-snap-story.html
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Getty Images has always claimed a patent on looking at things with your eyes and a copyright over everything you have ever seen.
True (Score:3)
The AI industry is industrial-scale piracy for profit with just enough obfuscation to allow the companies to become too big to jail at launch. I doubt we'll see any lawmakers calling for these companies' ISPs to be held accountable for their behavior though.
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> The AI industry is industrial-scale piracy for profit with just enough obfuscation to allow the companies to become too big to jail at launch. I doubt we'll see any lawmakers calling for these companies' ISPs to be held accountable for their behavior though.
The law is set up to protect the owner class. AI in its current iteration is a smokescreen for the owner class to take complete ownership of the web. Forget about open communication. It'll be flooded with AI derived crap until there's nothing left but rot and lawsuits for daring to use AI generated content without paying the owner class for the right. Progress!
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Absurd. It is far more clear that the current incarnation of copyright law is garbage in outrageous violation of Article 1 Section 8 that claims to authorise it. Disney, specifically Jack Valente, spent his life pushing a wildly perverse interpretation of property rights that he was able to say loud enough and repeat often enough people actually believe it uncritically. The law hindering AI technology is just the next iteration of the law harming progress.
All data is copyable (Score:2)
The same people who protest DRM should not protest scraping, as ripping a web site is the same as ripping a CD in terms of data. The only difference is that the amount of data a single human can read in their lifetime versus an all powerful AI. As bandwidth gets wider (Datacenters are in the terabit range) and data storage gets cheaper (A petabyte will be available for less than $10K soon) AI will be able to consume all possible human output. Like it or not it will overwhelm the economy. You can either smas
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Between CD and 192 kbit MP3? Definitely, the high frequencies are drifty.
Comparing CD and 320 kbit MP3 (Or VBR 0), no I cannot tell a difference.
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Then AI will be trained on AI
Will that end up like mad cow disease? Infection spreading through consumption.
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"The only difference" is the point. A lot of law is predicated on intent and consequence. What's the difference between stealing 5 dollars and 5 million dollars? Well, nothing, it's both stealing money .. and yet, we realize they're two different acts because of the difference in scale.
Sataya does not seem to have a clue how copyright (Score:2)
.. law works.
By his logic, if I find a Windows 11 ISO and Activation Key somewhere online, it is "freeware" and I can do anything i want with it.
Of course, that is pure baloney, because Microsoft owns the copyright regardless of how I come across it, and Microsoft dictates the terms around how I can license that content.
There is zero difference whatsoever in copyright law between
- A piece of software
- An image
- A book
- A blog post
They are all creative works, and all afforded identical status in copyright la
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So Microsoft can come knocking at my door any time and demand payment for all the income Ive derived from the tools and documentation they freely posted on their website I then used to make money by applying the tools and knowledge? Or only if Ive saved something to reuse after they delete it? Because I've crossed some barrier where I just made too much money from what they gave away for free in ways that should have clearly fallen under fair use until they saw dollar signs? I just don't see a difference be
Oh bite me, Getty (Score:2)
These days Getty's just a clearinghouse for meaningless stock imagery, the sorts that will very soon be replaced by AI-generated schlock.
You know, all those smiling health-care professionals, and that IT dept. that looks like it's around 20 years out of date.. all those placid, pleasant images you see in advertisements are 99.9999% stock photos bought (or taken) from places like Getty.
All of that will be AI inside 3 years from now.
Getty's only value is in their historical photographs.
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The only way that AI knows how to make any of those photographs, is because it was trained on Getty, and therefore they should be compensated.
That is the whole legal argument here.
Getty should talk (Score:2)
Scummy company, scams their own customers. Get fscked.
#irony (Score:3)
Coming from the company that has gotten in trouble dor nicking others' photos before, tries to license out public domain images all the time (loads of PD images on their site not just with their watermarks, but with "licensing options), who IIRC even owned the subsidiary at the center of controversy over trying to claim ownership of an image of the corona virus.
Yeah no, fuck off Getty ya two-headed cunt.
CEO says 'oh no my protection racket!' (Score:2)
The internet has changed 'fair use' and 'copyright', deal with it.
And so the humanity hits the wall with absurdity o (Score:2)
Was about time. It strayed way too far from the original purpose
Re: And so the humanity hits the wall with absurdi (Score:2)
*of copyright. My message eas too long
Being creative is something Humans enjoy doing. (Score:1)
Stop trying to take those tasks away from humans. Where's my AI that does my taxes? Or finds me a new job? Or does the dishes? That's what AI should be doing: Freeing humans from drudgery.
But, of course, those are things that people monetize, so we can't have AI do that...
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