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Pokemon Go Players Have Unwittingly Trained AI To Navigate the World (404media.co)

(Tuesday November 19, 2024 @05:40PM (msmash) from the no-free-lunches dept.)


Augmented reality gaming company Niantic plans to develop an AI system for navigating physical spaces using [1]data from millions of unsuspecting players of its games "Pokemon Go" and "Ingress," the company announced in a blog post. The "Large Geospatial Model" (LGM), named after language models like GPT, will process geolocated images to predict and understand physical environments.



[1] https://www.404media.co/pokemon-go-players-have-unwittingly-trained-ai-to-navigate-the-world/



People who play Pokeman Go (Score:3)

by zawarski ( 1381571 )

Have probably done all kinds of things unwittingly.

that's what happens when you use "AI" (Score:3, Insightful)

by Big Hairy Gorilla ( 9839972 )

You're training it.

I hope you get what you want, because, next year, "AI", with your intellectual property, will put you out of business.

It's a sleight of hand. Wow! Look over there, it's a herd of flying elephants!. Made you look didn't I?

While you were looking, I picked your pocket.

Same idea, but AI is picking your brains.

Re: (Score:3)

by The-Ixian ( 168184 )

You glom on to one possibly negative aspect and then seem to imply that we should use it as a basis to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I don't know about you, but I also learn from other people's work, some of which is copyrighted.

I would even argue that most of the ideas rumbling around in our heads are not entirely our own, but rather an amalgamation of other people's ideas mixed with our own.

I think it is exciting that humanity is just starting to learn how to ingest the collective output of human

Re: that's what happens when you use "AI" (Score:2, Interesting)

by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

Right argument wrong thing

The problem is capitalism, not AI.

It doesn't matter what we do, whether or not we have AI, whatever. What matters is who controls the money. They will continue to find pretexts under which to deny us any.

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by Anonymous Coward

> The problem is capitalism, not AI.

Because a Communist regime would handle this technology benevolently, for the common good.

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by dinfinity ( 2300094 )

Tu quoque and false dichotomy. There is more in the world than 'communism' and 'capitalism'. Don't be a tribalistic moron.

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by KlomDark ( 6370 )

Why not? People in other tribes don't give a crap about me and would happily pick my brain and wallet.

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by Big Hairy Gorilla ( 9839972 )

Sure. I'll say we're both right and extend that to the obvious end point.

Capitalism and AI added together leads to the vacuuming up of all intellectual property, without attribution. So after you've voluntarily handed over your IP, it will be owned (ironically) by the Big Co that ingested it. After that happens, Big Co will essentially corner the market on {knowledge domain goes here} and rent it back to you... or whoever. It won't need copyright protection because it will likely have device based security

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by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 )

I think what you's said is very insightful. If I had mod points I would have modded you up.

> I think the concept of people as property of one Big Tech Co or another as spelled out in Zuboff's "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" is pretty much current day reality. You can be property of multiple Big Tech Co's simultaneously, but they are zealously trying to make sure you never leave their walled gardens. Much easier and profitable to monetize existing customers than acquire new ones.

Thanks for the book recommendation. As for "current day reality", your description reminds me of the society described in Snow Crash. I guess back then the future that we're currently living was already here, but not as evenly distributed as it is now.

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by allo ( 1728082 )

Using AI does NOT train it. AI models are frozen during inference, they only change when explicitly trained. And training is much slower than inference, they cannot just "train a step" when answering your questions.

Not really (Score:2)

by CEC-P ( 10248912 )

Lvl 49 six year player here. Don't follow us. We jump fences, we climb walls, we cut through lawns, we climb down embankments to get to the beach. We know what you're doing but we're all pretty physically capable in my group.

Re: (Score:3)

by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 )

I've told you guys several times to stop tromping through my garden! You're killing the carrots.

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by zlives ( 2009072 )

gett OFF MY LAWN

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by PPH ( 736903 )

If you're that good, there's a rare Pikachu living in a palace off the Black Sea in Gelendzhik. If you can capture him and get him to The Hague, I understand that the reward is significant.

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by gweihir ( 88907 )

Ah, don't worry! Hallucination will be fixed at some undetermined time in the future!

The Beatings Will Continue (Score:2)

by Gilmoure ( 18428 )

#EnshittificationEnshittifies

Probably not the best data set for this (Score:1)

by kasteli75 ( 10502789 )

Being a PokemonGo player, I'm not sure I'd trust a navigation AI based on my walking patterns when I play. I routinely do large detours to go visit Gyms or Stops, or walk around in circles trying to hatch an egg.... I rarely walk in the most efficient A to B route, and end-up willingly doubling my walking time because the game rewards me for taking detours. That's excluding people who enter areas they shouldn't, go through private property... In AI, garbage in, garbage out? Its a big data set they have, bu

"Understand".... (Score:2)

by gweihir ( 88907 )

That word does not mean what you think it means. This type of "AI" has not "understanding" of anything.

That's great! (Score:2)

by sweet 'n sour ( 595166 )

Can't wait to see how that works with all of the cheaters that are still using hacked clients to do things like fly over homes and mountains.

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by ebunga ( 95613 )

Hush, now. The magic of AI will fix that, too.

beam me up (Score:2)

by LunaticTippy ( 872397 )

There are cheaters known as spoofers who provide false GPS location to access game objects without physical travel. They can instantly teleport anywhere in the world. I can't wait until our AI overlords grant us this ability, just think how much time and energy will be saved when we don't need to waste time traveling and can just blink wherever we want to go!

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