DOJ Wants Google To Sell Chrome To Break Search Monopoly (9to5google.com)
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/11/18/2352224/doj-wants-google-to-sell-chrome-to-break-search-monopoly
- Source link: https://9to5google.com/2024/11/18/us-doj-google-sell-chrome/
> At the top of the list is having Google sell Chrome "because it represents a key access point through which many people use its search engine." There are many questions about how that works, including what the impact on the underlying Chromium codebase would be. Would Google still be allowed to develop the open-source project by which many other browsers, like Microsoft Edge use? "The government has the option to decide whether a Chrome sale is necessary at a later date if some of the other aspects of the remedy create a more competitive market," reports Bloomberg. Google, which plans to appeal, previously said that "splitting off Chrome or Android would break them."
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> Bloomberg reports that "antitrust officials pulled back from a more severe option that would have forced Google to sell off Android." However, the government wants Google to "uncouple its Android smartphone operating system from its other products, including search and its Google Play mobile app store, which are now sold as a bundle." Meanwhile, other recommendations include licensing Google Search data and results, as well as allowing websites that are indexed for Search to opt out of AI training.
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-18/doj-will-push-google-to-sell-off-chrome-to-break-search-monopoly
[2] https://9to5google.com/2024/11/18/us-doj-google-sell-chrome/
[3] https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/10/09/0339229/doj-indicates-its-considering-google-breakup-following-monopoly-ruling
Been there a got the T-Shirt (Score:2, Interesting)
This sounds great, but I heard this story before.
25 years ago Microsoft lost an anti-trust case and in the year 2001 the GOP took over. Guess what happened ? The case was dropped.
So we all know what will happen now that Trump will be taking over.
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The funniest part is that they did this openly and publicly, starting from infamous public crying session in 2016, and culminating is "all of our search errors that guide Trump autofills to Biden and later Harris sites are totally accidental, please ignore that we are on the record stating that we will not allow Trump to win again".
But you are trained to not believe the evidence of your lying eyes and ears. So your cognition doesn't allow you to recognize it.
And so you also ignore evidence of the fact that
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Of course! and once Google gets scared enough they'll be happy to hand over their most precious secrets and lots, and lots, of money to Trump and Putin in exchange for the case being dropped.
It's the same play every time: Strong arm people into giving something and you might be nice to them.
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> google was one of the companies that colluded against Trump for last eight years
LOL! What? Have any evidence for that?
Here in reality, it would appear that [1]the opposite [nbcnews.com] is true.
Typical.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/youtubes-algorithm-recommends-users-right-wing-religious-content-resea-rcna155478
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It will be trivial to stall the court battle for four years. And in 2028, after four (more) years of Trump, the Democrats will be able to win back the White House if their candidate is Biden again, even if he dies of old age in the meantime. All Google has to do is make a few very large contributions to the Democratic candidate, and it all evaporates.
Just like it did with Microsoft.
It isn't the corruption that keeps these huge companies from being called to account, it's the length of time it takes for the
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> colluded against Trump
Man the doublethink with you guys is wild. "colluded against trump". My dude, a search engine showing results that criticize someone isn't collusion its just the search engine doing its job. Guess what else shows up on the results? shit that criticizes democrats.
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If this story was posted three months from now the comments would be very different.
chromium (Score:4)
who is going to buy it when you can already download the source code and fork it
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Somebody who wants others to download their source code and fork it, because they have the master key to the base?
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Right. My mother can't figure out how to change her search engine, but she's going to make a Chromium fork.
Re: chromium (Score:2)
Haha, google maintains the production pull request review, and business continues as normal.
Is default search still an advantage? (Score:2)
Does google actually get any meaningful traffic purely because they are the default in Firefox or on the iPhone or whatever or do people specifically use Google over the alternatives *cough*Bing*cough* because Google is better? I know I specifically use Google because it's better.
Yes (Score:3)
If you cared exclusively about the quality of the results you'd probably be using one of the meta engines that works with google (i.e. startpage). You're not so far away from the unwashed masses who definitely just use whatever is the default.
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Open source of not, somebody is still in control of it. And Google certainly benefits from controlling defaults that very few people ever bother to change.
Re: sell an open source project? (Score:4, Informative)
Chrome is not open source. Chromium is open source but Google takes Chromium and adds non-open bits to it to make Chrome.
Chrome is not a browser to Google (Score:5, Insightful)
The decision to split Chrome makes sense. Chrome is a tool for Google to collect user data to exclude or to disadvantage competitors. As many may recall, Google went so far as to collect data from Private (sorry, "in cognito") tabs. [1]https://techwireasia.com/2024/... [techwireasia.com] Chrome also gives Google an advantage over other browsers when it comes to using Google services, a fact Google leverages to get people to use Chrome. So, This will be the best thing to happen to Firefox, Opera and the like. Browsers could even become browsers, eventually, and not vehicles for collecting data for the browser maker.
[1] https://techwireasia.com/2024/04/google-commits-to-deleting-data-tracked-in-incognito-mode/
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Google's tracking of Chrome users in incognito mode from the server-side is not something nefarious, it's the same tracking they do to every browser. They got sued for not detecting incognito mode, something they can't do. It would be more anti-competitive if they gave themselves a way to detect incognito mode and not track Chrome's incognito users but still tracked every other browsers' equivalent.
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Its a nice ploy by the DOJ. Chrome is essentially without value as it has always been free to download, install and update. It wouldn't really have any marketshare if it wasn't free. Therefore, it should have no downside to Google to offload it to some other organisation - unless it has some other (eg undisclosed) value to Google.
This move by the DOJ forces Google to either let it go cheaply and peacefully, or confirm their subterfuge.
Anyone can get the source code and build their own (Score:2)
Chromium web browser. Like Microsoft and the open source Chromium web browser did.
WHOA! The DOJ has this kind of long game!? (Score:1)
All the reporting out of the DOJ was about the AppleGoogle default se deal. I always thought that was a false flag operation. Chrome is totally the way Google props up the monopoly.
Electron (Score:2)
And I hope with it, electron dies. But i doubt it.
Google is going to break their own monopoly (Score:2)
by slowly turning into hot garbage.
People still use Google search? (Score:2)
Have they somehow not noticed it has turned to utter crap?
It works (Score:2)
People use the Chrome web browser because it works well.
I've tried Firefox, Brave and the obsolete Internet Explorer. Chrome is easier to use.
What are they going to do? Force us to migrate to Microsoft Edge (barf)?
I doubt the Justice Department doesn't even know the difference between the Chrome OS and the Chrome browser. Last I looked, a lot of them were still on AOL.
Micosoft as well ? (Score:2)
Microsoft has a search engine and a browser, wouldn't they just do the same as soon as Chrome is out of the picture ?
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Chrome isn't a search engine.
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If an individual is too fucking stupid to use the internet without being exploited by large corporations that have a Monopoly on the infrastructure then fuck them.
Survival of the fittest bitches!
If you're too stupid or ignorant to navigate how the modern world works without getting fucked in the ass by people that are smarter than you then you can be exploited by others and die in poverty.
This is coming from somebody that used to identify as an authoritarian communist. Now I don't fucking care.
The past few
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I'm still doing all my work. Full 40 plus extras as needed. Pay all my taxes, separate all my recycling, ride a bike instead of a car, bring my own cloth bags, blah, blah, blah.
I support my two kids, so disabled by genetic damage that I'll be working until my deathbed to save up for their institutional care until they die. No grandkids for me, no future to invest in, they are the last of the line.
Doing it alone because no woman in their right mind could be expected to want to help me carry the baggage my ex
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But it defaults to using one. Which is the point. Try to pay attention.
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Most users don't know that it's even possible to change the default search from Google to something else, so being the default in Chrome gives them a massive advantage over the competition. Why deny this simple and obvious fact?
Chrome didn't come to dominate on merit alone either. In addition to being bundled with many popular applications, it was ruthlessly promoted across Google's services, including search. It's so bad that many users actually think they need to use Chrome to use Google services. If
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> Um, you don't need to "change" anything. You just type in the URL of whatever search engine you want. Does the government really need to get involved in this?
LOL. You still think you still think that browser bars are for "typing URLs".
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> Chrome didn't come to dominate on merit alone either.
Chrome became the preferred browser because Firefox (it may have still been Mozilla at that time) became overly bloated and no one trusted IE. Opera was just an oddity. It became the preferred browser completely based on merit. it was simple with a clean interface and faster than the competition. It was not bundled. The first thing people were doing with brand new Windows installs was starting IE to download Chrome (all manually by their own choice).
Some of the things stated came true in later years, b
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> Chrome became the preferred browser because Firefox (it may have still been Mozilla at that time) became overly bloated
Reality tells a very different story.
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Years ago I switched to chrome because Firefox liked to crash and felt slower. Chrome was multi threaded and offered language translation with a single click.
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Also, didn't they just decide Google isn't allowed to pay to be default search?
How is Chrome supposed to live on its own?