Teen Pleads Guilty To Making 375 'Swatting' Calls Across US (cnn.com)
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- News link: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/11/14/2148259/teen-pleads-guilty-to-making-375-swatting-calls-across-us
- Source link: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/14/us/swatting-calls-california-teen-pleads-guilty/index.html
> Between August 2022 and January 2024, hundreds of swatting calls were made across the country targeting religious institutions, government offices, schools, and random people. Authorities were finally able to [2]track down the criminal , Alan Fillon, who entered the plea to four counts of making interstate threats to injure the person of another, the US Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida said in a news release. He [3]faces up to five years in prison on each count . A sentencing date has not yet been set.
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> The US Attorney's Office said Filion made more than 375 swatting and threat calls from August 2022 to January 2024. Those calls included ones in which he claimed to have planted bombs in targeted locations or threatened to detonate bombs and/or conduct mass shootings at those locations, prosecutors said. He targeted religious institutions, high schools, colleges and universities, government officials and people across the United States. Filion was 16 at the time he placed the majority of the calls.
[1] https://slashdot.org/~quonset
[2] https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/02/02/2029249/youtube-discord-and-lord-of-the-rings-led-police-to-a-teen-accused-of-a-us-swatting-spree
[3] https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/14/us/swatting-calls-california-teen-pleads-guilty/index.html
Good (Score:2)
Now shutdown unsolicited telemarketers...
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Given my experiences during the past 10-12 months, I'd prefer they focus on shutting down unsolicited political marketers... from either side of the aisle.
We need to make examples out of these... (Score:3, Insightful)
We need to make examples out of people like this. If Wells Fargo can stop Tik-Tok people from exploiting check fraud, then the Federal government can do something about terroristic threats and swatting. Otherwise, this will just continue. Loving in a urban area, it is not uncommon for, when an event has tickets sold out, for people to call in a threat just to cause the event to have to be cancelled. Come finals every semester? Yep all classes are stopped and the dogs are brought in.
Re:We need to make examples out of these... (Score:5, Insightful)
> We need to make examples out of people like this.
Idiot teenagers don't research sentencing history before doing stupid stuff, so harsh punishment has little deterrent effect.
It is better to put resources into better policing to increase the chance of getting caught, and better systems that allow faster tracking of calls to emergency numbers.
Or, hear me out (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe we don't turn our police into death squads they can be set off on a hair trigger by a phone call from a teenager. ..
Demilitarized the police.
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Seeing as how he was 16 year old, and without any significant cognitive impairments, he should have known that each of those calls could have resulted in a death. Therefore the charge should not be less than attempted murder, as that's what he was trying to do. Was he trying to kill someone? The answer is yes. It's not reasonable to assume that swatting someone would just be a big scare .. especially not the way he did it. So attempted murder should be the charge and his sentence must either block him from
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> Seeing as how he was 16 year old, and without any significant cognitive impairments, he should have known that each of those calls could have resulted in a death. Therefore the charge should not be less than attempted murder, as that's what he was trying to do.
What the article describes is not attempted murder. Attempted murder is when you report someone with a bloody axe inside the house of an elderly couple - everyone in that house is at a lethal risk. An unknown person dropping a bomb in a school - that is an unknown perpetrator and a few hundred innocent kids - would require different tactics.
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>> We need to make examples out of people like this.
> Idiot teenagers don't research sentencing history before doing stupid stuff, so harsh punishment has little deterrent effect.
> It is better to put resources into better policing to increase the chance of getting caught, and better systems that allow faster tracking of calls to emergency numbers.
Really? A “better system” you think will do it? After 100 bullshit calls, one would think SWAT would have a clue something is up. After three hundred seventy fucking five calls, a few people should be getting fired and a few systems should be getting shitcanned.
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After three hundred seventy fucking five calls, a few people should be getting fired and a few systems should be getting shitcanned.
He made those calls across the country over a period of a year and a half. How would you like to single out those three hundred plus calls from the billions of other calls made during that time considering none of the officials involved knew about the other calls? On top of which, there were undoubtedly other swatting calls made during that time.
Re:We need to make examples out of these. (Score:2)
> After three hundred seventy fucking five calls, a few people should be getting fired and a few systems should be getting shitcanned.
> He made those calls across the country over a period of a year and a half. How would you like to single out those three hundred plus calls from the billions of other calls made during that time considering..
..considering what? Your inability to be realistic about the math, or your ability to bullshit about it? Billions of SWAT calls? Really? Try that argument again. When you grow the fuck up and want to talk to the adults with facts.
Sure thing champ (Score:2)
[1]https://www.theiacp.org/resour... [theiacp.org].
There are 17,000 police departments across the US. 5,000 SWAT teams. 375 calls across 15 months. Just because a police department doesn't have a SWAT team doesn't mean they don't break down your door and pay you a visit, so we'll use the 17,000 number. Distributed randomly, the odds of him calling the same police department twice are 1 in 45. Even if he called the same police department more than once, it could have been distributed to one of multiple 911 call centers, or p
[1] https://www.theiacp.org/resources/document/national-special-weapons-and-tactics-swat-study#:~:text=Prior%20research%20tells%20us%20Special,conflict%20resolution%2C%20and%20medical%20response
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Billions of SWAT calls?
I didn't say billions of swatting calls. I said billions of calls.
Perhaps you're the one who should grow up so you have reading comprehension because clearly you're not an adult.
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> Idiot teenagers don't research sentencing history before doing stupid stuff, so harsh punishment has little deterrent effect
You don't need to "research sentencing history". Somebody has an idea, talks about it, and someone more grown up will tell him "that's how you go into jail until you are released in 30 years time aged 45. No sex with a female ever for you'. I had some good idea at 15 what was stupid and what was so far beyond stupid that it wasn't fun anymore (except for the police officers arresting you. They usually have some idea what is what and have a lot of fun kicking in your door and suddenly you have a door and fiv
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juvie till 21 and then what?
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Have you forgotten that public schools are a thing? Teach the kids that they'll catch serious hell for SWATting and yes, then it will be a deterrent. I'm totally for it being a crime tried as an adult, where you can be locked away for a very long time.
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Maybe when some idiot teenager gets caught doing something dumb and destructive, we don't seal the records and hide their names to keep what they did from ruining the rest of their lives. Instead, publicize their stupidity so that everybody can laugh at their foolishness. That way, other foolish kids will maybe avoid doing similar stupid stunts and getting publicly laughed at and shamed.
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> We need to make examples out of people like this. If Wells Fargo can stop Tik-Tok people from exploiting check fraud...
Is this some kind of weird joke? Since when has Wells Fargo ever stopped any kind of fraud, including their own?
Can someone please explain (Score:3)
why we let a 16 year-old make nearly 400 swatting calls before arresting him? I dont believe for a second that a 16 year old is capable of doing anything more sophisticated than dialing their smartphone. And if he was working through some “we swat people” online chat group, I’m absolutely 100% sure that every other user was an FBI informant or a journalist undercover.
The US allows an unbelievable amount of freedom for individuals to have absolutely insane, hateful views and hobbies. As a society, we largely learned our lessons from the 1900s when the FBI was constantly messing with people like MLK and feeding LSD to closet gays, and now we have a solid century of bad rep to live down. As long as you aren’t imminently about to hurt anyone, our spies just stand way back and monitor. And those agencies are really, really good at monitoring.
So, when the FBI says they didnt know who this kid was while he swatted nearly 400 places, I straight-up don’t believe them. My question is - why did they wait for so long? There absolutely must be a rational reason. Those are very, VERY smart people.
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> I dont believe for a second that a 16 year old is capable of doing anything more sophisticated than dialing their smartphone.
Not that I think it's necessary because neither LE or telcos are spectacularly competent, nor do I know whether he did anything whatsoever, but I don't think that some basic VoIP tomfoolery is beyond the reach of a 16 year old with enough language skills to read a HOWTO. When some of us were kids that would have been arcane knowledge, now you can probably just ask Google.
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I would guess that he learned how to spoof a phone number (https://en.celltrackingapps.com/spoofing/how-to-spoof-a-phone-number/) and being a 16 year old his prefrontal cortex is probably still underdeveloped which allows him to do stupid things (like speeding, doxxing, underage drinking, etc). That doesn't excuse his reckless and harmful behavior and he deserves to spend time in jail thinking over his bad choices. Teens do stupid things, they probably shouldn't have phones until they are at least 20 (LOL)
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Then why do we let them get sex changes?
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[1]We didn't defund the police [go.com] so you don't understand anything, in or out of context.
[1] https://abcnews.go.com/US/defunding-claims-police-funding-increased-us-cities/story?id=91511971
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Please do not bring facts into this conversation.
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there exist online VOIP phone systems.. you can make a call... use a few proxies... sit outside a coffee shops wifi spot.. good luck to the local police force in trying to trace that call, and get accurate logs/IP's/names from any of the services used.
It's actually a surprise that this kid was eventually nailed... and i do hope they nail his a** to the wall and make a spectacle out of it so that anyone thinking of doing it again will know better.
A year in jail per instance is a light sentence. If he spends
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My take is nobody in "law enforcement" actually cared. I mean, they get to brutalize people and demo their shiny tech and look all mean and mighty and they get paid anyways. Why would they take offense?
> The US allows an unbelievable amount of freedom for individuals to have absolutely insane, hateful views and hobbies.
You have an exceptionally dangerous stance there. Because think for a moment what it would take to suppress these.
Public hanging during halftime (Score:2)
And be very public about why.
Same for fentanyl mules and dealers.
Same for corrupt government officials
Same for people who abuse women, children or the elderly
Same for people who swindle the elderly
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Yeah, everyone wants to live in Iran.
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Does not help. Cave-men like you do not get that the death "penalty" has zero preventative value. That is because you are not very smart, deep in denial about reality and want to be _violent_. Great accomplishments...
WTF?! (Score:1)
How does a govt agency allow itself to be directed by a teenage prankster? In what world do the people responsible think that enabling this kind of thing is OK?
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> How does a govt agency allow itself to be directed by a teenage prankster?
We spend billions on SWAT and other forms of militarized police.
Much of that money comes from Federal grants.
There isn't much for them to do, but to justify their existence and keep the money flowing, they need to keep up their "incident" count.
So when they receive an anonymous bomb threat, they have no incentive to do any sanity checking or de-escalation. They grab their guns, board the armored infantry vehicle, and go.
Re:WTF?! (Score:5, Insightful)
WTF would have them do, ignore bomb and mass shooting threats?
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Perhaps go in and not say "so anyways, I just started blastin"?
But maybe thats too much to ask from authoritarians.
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> WTF would have them do, ignore bomb and mass shooting threats?
Well, for starters, sending in a drone or robot instead of heavily armed humans would go a long way to avoid mishaps. It also would be a whole lot less hilarious for the pranksters if SWATting just amounted to the victim telling a robot "nope, no hostage situation here, someone's yanking your chain."
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Sounds like a good way to give someone advanced notice of police arriving.
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In intelligence, we must decide [quickly] on how much we trust the source. If I call on my cell phone registered to me, surely we can validate this, we have the technology. If I call through an anonymous VoIP hub, perhaps we don't immediately act on this intel.
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I'm 53, a Brit and the son of two soldiers.
I went to several BFES (British Forces Education Services) schools in West Germany, back in the day. You may recall that things were quite fraught back then - different to today but also the same. We used to get bomb threats roughly weekly - just at school, it was worse for the troops. Some of those were traced to older kids having a laugh. (lol)
In about 10 years (roughly late '70s to mid '80s) quite a lot happened. I was 10 in 1980.
Anyway, govt agencies have t
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If someone is trying to kick your door in while screaming death threats, you you want the 911 operator to question whether or not it's a real call?
The only way to determine if it's a real call is to have someone on site. That can be handled poorly (and sometimes is), but the only way the system works is to respond to all calls. There's plenty of historical examples of why that is.
(This little shit should get 375 consecutive sentences, and spend the rest of his useless, parasitic life in a 6x9 foot concrete
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How does a govt agency allow itself to be directed by a teenage prankster?
When you have [1]a bunch of hammers [visualcapitalist.com], everything looks like nails.
[1] https://www.visualcapitalist.com/billion-dollar-transfer-of-military-equipment-to-police-departments/