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Experts Testify US Is Running Secret UAP Programs (npr.org)

(Thursday November 14, 2024 @05:00AM (BeauHD) from the behind-the-scenes dept.)


During a public joint hearing today titled " [1]Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth ," four experts [2]testified that the U.S. is running secret UAP programs , including crash retrieval and reverse-engineering programs for advanced nonhuman technology. Although the Pentagon maintains there's no evidence of alien spacecraft, witnesses like Luis Elizondo and Michael Gold argue that UAPs represent an intelligence enigma and call for open, stigma-free study to address potential security concerns and unknown scientific possibilities. NPR reports:

> Tim Gallaudet, retired rear admiral, U.S. Navy; CEO of Ocean STL Consulting, LLC

> "Confirmation that UAPs are interacting with humanity came for me in January 2015," Gallaudet said in [3]his written testimony (PDF). He describes being part of a pre-deployment naval exercise off the U.S. East Coast that culminated in the famous "Go Fast" video, in which a Navy F/A-18 jet's sensors recorded "an unidentified object exhibiting flight and structural characteristics unlike anything in our arsenal." He was among a group of commanders involved in the exercise who received an email containing the video, which was sent by the operations officer of Fleet Forces Command, Gallaudet said. "The very next day, the email disappeared from my account and those of the other recipients without explanation," he said.

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> Luis Elizondo, author and former Department of Defense official

> Elizondo's written [4]testimony (PDF) was brief and alleged that a secretive arms race is playing out on the global stage. "Let me be clear: UAP are real," he wrote. "Advanced technologies not made by our Government -- or any other government -- are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe. Furthermore, the U.S. is in possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adversaries." Elizondo is a former intelligence officer who later "managed a highly sensitive Special Access Program on behalf of the White House and the National Security Council," according to his [5]official bio (PDF). "By 2012, [Elizondo] was the senior ranking person of the DOD's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, a secretive Pentagon unit that studied unidentified anomalous phenomena," his bio states, adding that he resigned in 2017.

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> Michael Gold, former NASA associate administrator of space policy and partnerships; member of NASA UAP Independent Study Team

> Gold's [6]written testimony (PDF) stressed the need for government agencies and academics to "overcome the pernicious stigma that continues to impede scientific dialogue and open discussions" about unexplained phenomena. "As the saying goes, the truth is out there," Gold said, "we just need to be bold enough and brave enough to face it."

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> Michael Shellenberger, founder of Public, a news outlet on the Substack platform

> Shellenberger's [7]testimony (PDF) ran to some 214 pages, including a lengthy timeline of UAP reports from 1947 to 2023. Shellenberger pressed the White House and Congress to act, calling for the adoption of UAP transparency legislation and cutting funds for any related programs that aren't disclosed to lawmakers. "UAP transparency is bi-partisan and critical to our national security," his written testimony stated.

You can watch the proceeding [8]here .



[1] https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-exposing-the-truth/

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT2iWKZr0qA

[3] https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Updated-Testimony-Gallaudet.pdf

[4] https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Written-Testimony-Elizondo.pdf

[5] https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117721/witnesses/HHRG-118-GO12-Bio-ElizondoL-20241113.pdf

[6] https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Written-Testimony-Gold.pdf

[7] https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Written-Testimony-Shellenberger.pdf

[8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT2iWKZr0qA



What nonsense. (Score:5, Insightful)

by Valgrus Thunderaxe ( 8769977 )

Show some real evidence or stop wasting the people's time.

Re: (Score:2)

by phayes ( 202222 )

I recall reading a definitive debunking of the "go fast" video by an optics expert with intimate knowledge of the F18 gun camera. Every claimed "anomalous" movement was explained as being a particular kind of "sun dog" (those ghost suns you can see on complex multi-component lenses that are pointed facing the sun).

So Tim Gallaudet's "proof" of aliens boils down to "an unknown higher ranked officer told the mail system admin to junk the conspirationist bullshit we were trying to circulate".

Proof that higher

Re: What nonsense. (Score:2)

by hey00 ( 5046921 )

The go fast video can be debunked by a 15 years old with basic trigonometry knowledge. No need to be an expert, the video has all the info needed about the speed and heading of the aircraft, the angle of the camera, the distance of the target, and the timestamps.

With that, you can easily calculate the end position of the target relative to its start position. If I recall, the "ufo" was going around 50kph. It's all parallax.

The mention of the go fast video is a simple marker that the real field of expertise

Re: (Score:2)

by angel'o'sphere ( 80593 )

That is bogus.

There are plenty of videos that can not be explained that way.

And: such sun ghosts in a gun camera, would not be on radar of the carrier and the escorts. Facepalm.

Re: (Score:2)

by cuda13579 ( 1060440 )

Mick West on youtube, has a lot of good debunking videos...he goes through all the steps, and shows all the tools he uses, and explains how a lot of camera/optical hardware works...and how they can create odd effects that people use as "evidence"...and will often even demonstrate how those effects can be reproduced. He has videos on the "evidence" from previous government hearings....those people should be ashamed of themselves for even presenting that as legitimate evidence.

I know it's touchy, and people

Hollywood aliens (Score:4, Interesting)

by locater16 ( 2326718 )

I'm so glad aliens only ever choose to appear as blobs of light in front of mentally sketchy government officials, they must be big X-Files fans.

Re: (Score:2)

by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 )

Whoops. Undoing accidental mod.

Bull-fucking-shit. (Score:2, Troll)

by Eunomion ( 8640039 )

This is what unhinged conspiracy-monkey Republicans talk about with your tax money while you work for a living.

Re: (Score:2, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward

taking a page out of WayDumberThanABoxOfCrayons' book are you.

But whadaboud the Democrats !!

Thanks for confirming you think it's fine when Republicans waste money on things like this.

Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

by Eunomion ( 8640039 )

> "What Democratic spending point would you prefer to piss away taxpayer dollars on"

How about the taxpayers themselves, Einstein? That's the point of a commons. Not Roman circuses to distract your slaves from seeing what you are.

Re: (Score:2)

by gtall ( 79522 )

Wow, you are really into alternate genders. I suppose it is titillating for you and your kind. You know there are web sites devoted to satisfy people like you, yes?

Re: (Score:2)

by Savage-Rabbit ( 308260 )

>> This is what unhinged conspiracy-monkey Republicans talk about with your tax money while you work for a living.

> LOL. Yeah, OK. What Democratic spending point would you prefer to piss away taxpayer dollars on, because pissers gonna piss? Should we waste a few billion brain cells debating what a “woman” is, or should we just place our bets on the not-a-man transgender that’s going to win the race in a totally-fair way instead?

> Lets talk about how modern liberal feminists aren’t aborting their way to prominent single cat lady status. Or maybe we talk about how the lesbian divorce rate speaks volumes as to how “toxic” men are in relationships. Just in case you were confused as to whose delusions are losing worse here, there won’t be a future generation of libtards to perpetuate that bull-fucking-shit to.

At least trans people and lesbians exist. Democrats can argue they are for real, Republicans can argue that they are a bunch of crazy people but they exist and it is justifiable to spend some time and money on discussing them and their problems and their rights and place in society. You for one, clearly have some extremely passionate opinions on the subject and a participating in a healthy televised debate would be very cathartic for you and far more therapeutic than angrily ranting away while hiding behind

Re: (Score:2)

by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 )

> This is what unhinged conspiracy-monkey Republicans talk about with your tax money while you work for a living.

This hearing costs nothing and won't lead to anything.

It's a harmless way to keep Congress and conspiracy theorists occupied.

There are far worse things they could be doing.

Re: (Score:2)

by Eunomion ( 8640039 )

We pay their salaries, provide their facilities, fund all the supporting services. Believe me, they will be doing all the worse things they possibly can. This is just their latest declaration of contempt for America.

Re: (Score:2)

by gtall ( 79522 )

We are paying the salaries, providing their facilities, funding all the supporting services of the aliens? Believe me they will be doing all the worst things they possibly can....such as anal probes, mass hypnosis, fluoridated water, and cryptocurrency scams. This is just their latest declaration of contempt for America. Next thing you know, they'll be denigrating measles vaccines.

Re: (Score:2)

by gtall ( 79522 )

I do not think it is entirely harmless. It is one more way of getting Americans to distrust science, "see, there's all these things that science cannot explain, and THEY are hiding it from us."

Congress Critter: Okay, cut the crap, what are these UFOs.

Witness: Uh...glowing blobs of light doing unspeakable things in the air.

CC: But what are they?

W: You need to ask the Pentagon, they are the ones hiding the Truth from you.

CC: Mr. Pentagon, what are these UFOs?

P: They are called UAPs, and they are glowing globs

it's not aliens (Score:3)

by ecorona ( 953223 )

I'd bet good money that this is a secret government operation to misled the world. This is an excuse to fly aircraft over military installations around the world without anyone blaming the USA. Why wouldn't they blame the USA you ask? Becaues we are pretending it's happening to us but really we're just developing the technology. It's an elaborate hoax to give us a free pass to invade sovereign territory

Re: (Score:1)

by aBlueMe ( 7317380 )

Right. Oh, we have that same alien infestation too.

Even our best ships don't know how to fight them off. So sad, so mysterious.

Re: (Score:2)

by ecorona ( 953223 )

To make the whole deal even sweeter, we're pretending we are reverse engineering the spacecraft. This way, if one crashes or if they shoot one down then the China or the Russians will spend countless fruitless man-hours trying to understand the technology. The fake tech will be deliberately obfuscated to waste their time. The real tech will be replaced by a decoy in the last minute that "crashes" or something akin to that. It's the most plausible explanation and infinitely more likely than interdimensional

Re: (Score:2)

by Sique ( 173459 )

Because the Alien craze is a very American phenomenon. Outside the U.S., the Alien nuts are far and few between. Yes, they exist. But TV stations outside the U.S. buy most of their material from America, otherwise they would not have much to show. As far as I remember, the crop circles were the only hot alien topic whose origin was outside the U.S., and this was a few UK students pranking the world.

Re: (Score:2)

by angel'o'sphere ( 80593 )

Actually it was mostly the farmers pranking the world.

Re: (Score:2)

by DrMrLordX ( 559371 )

Ever heard of Operation Blue Beam?

Re: (Score:2)

by DrMrLordX ( 559371 )

Sorry. Project Blue Beam (close enough).

Uhuh (Score:3)

by DrXym ( 126579 )

Somebody spent a lot of time quote mining and cherry picking this article together. Conspicuously lacking is actual evidence.

Well that explains Trump then (Score:2)

by Growlley ( 6732614 )

he is American,

Universe is big (Score:2)

by PineGreen ( 446635 )

I think anyone with some knowledge of cosmology knows that this has to bullshit. There are 1e10 stas in the our galaxy alone, for sure there is life in some fraction of them and probably intelligent life in some smaller fraction of them. But for sure not on the closest star. But you know what -- a typical star is some tens of thousands of lightyears away. This means 50 thousand years for a return light travel. Good luck communicating whith those guys or travelling Star Wars like to visit them.

L00nyOps Money Fleecing (Score:2)

by Qbertino ( 265505 )

This all has a serious smell of L00nyOps Money Fleecing and budget forking/securing about it. Like those military projects back in the 70ies where they trained GIs with clairvoyance, magic powers and new age wicca protection spells and talismans or countless other DOD bullsh*t projects. There's an [1]absolutely hilarious movie on this made by the Cohen brothers [wikipedia.org] btw.

Given, there is fermis paradox and it's not completely unlikely that the aliens have been around us all along. It's also very likely that if they'r

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats_(film)

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