I am starting to get it. Because they do not believe in the system anymore

I think this describes it perfectly: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

People don't really want either of them, but when forced to make a choice, they choose the one they think will be less bad.

That and evidently there was a major uptick in Google searches for "Did Joe Biden drop out of the presidential race?".

People who don't pay any attention to anything (and yet we let them vote) expected to go in and vote for Joe, then they didn't see any names on the ballot they recognized.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAwIN8J3RAE

> I just don't get it. From where I stand, that guy's a fraud A to Z. There is nothing appealing about him.

"I just don't understand how Nixon could have won. Nobody I know voted for him".

You don't get . it because you probably live in a bubble, at least socially. But you're not alone, because you have a lot of compatriots on Slashdot.

BTW, Trump is also projected to win the popular vote. And the GOP will take the Senate. And it's looking like the GOP will keep the House, albeit narrowly.

In short, if you can't possibly understand why Trump won, maybe you should get outside of your circles and mingle with other folk who think differently than you. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.

Or, you can just keep hanging with the folks here who will insist that it's all due to cheating, Russian "interference", vote suppression , etc etc etc.

Bottom line: Americans know who Donald Trump is. They know his ideas, his positions, and have watched the whole legal circus surrounding him these past two years. They have plenty to judge him by.

And they chose him anyway

Maybe ask yourself "Huh, could it have been that the American electorate considered the alternative that fucking bad ? Yes. Yes they did.

There are multiple factors :

1) IQ is a gaussian centered around 100. So effectively half the population is below average intelligence and will not understand or grasp at complex electoral programs, and they are weak to populist trope or soundbites.

2) more often than not in the US, people don't vote for a specific person, but rather for a team. There is maybe 10-15% which switch side. The rest of core elector always vote dems or reps no matter what, or don't vote. That's how MTG , Boebert and Trump get elected.

3) At Presidential election people in the US *mostly* don't look at each candidate programs, but rather something far FAR more simplistic : was my life better now than 4 years ago ? Some will skip voting or switch vote depending on that sole factor

4) you keep repeating people they are worthless and the reason for all is bad and they are privileged *while they feel shitted on by society*, and at some point people rebel against it. That's why in MANY country (Germany, US, Korea chief among other) the male youth shifted far into the right.

This is not a single factor. But combine all 4 ? Then you get a trump president 2024, a red waves in the senate and IMO very probably a majority in congress. A complete carte blanche for 2 years to Trump to do whatever.

In a world where you pick the lesser of two evils, this was the lesser. Kamala was somehow a worse communicator than Trump, had no track record of success with the an immigration assignment she was given, and had zero charisma.

Blame the Democrats for putting a mentally ill person into the presidency, lying about it, then bypassing primary elections and place an extremely unpopular candidate as a replacement. That rubbed a lot of people the wrong way

Also, we in the US do not understand why people keep

Trump wins because he acknowledges the issues his voters have, and promises to fix them. Of those there are imaginary ones, like communism, and real ones, like loss of jobs and destruction of middle class. Two thirds of the country are one hospital visit away from being homeless. The latest generations are never going to be able to afford homes. Team Dem pretends these things don't exist, but they do, and affect more and more of the populace, and as such, will command more and more of votes.

I'm not saying I believe Trump will actually fix these issues, the last time something was actually fixed in the States was the New Deal. It's been a while. It's not going to happen any time soon, whoever the president is. Wasn't going to happen under Kamala, didn't happen under Biden, nothing under Trump last time, Obama - nope, Dubya - lol... The list goes on. The job of the president is to turn campaign donor money into campaign donor policy. Donors are who made them president, it's who they are responsible for. It's that simple.

But if one has a choice of two candidates, one who knows your problems and promises to fix them, and the other guy doesn't and doesn't, many people are going to choose the first one. Lies don't matter here, the truth was dead in the US a long time ago already. And it's not like the other guy tells the truth. If the other guy says everything is all right, but nobody in your town has a job, that's the lie you care about. If the other guy says (s)he's proud of the America (s)he has built, they publicly acknowledge they're your enemy. Trump on the other hand positions himself on the side of the little guy, and as being hated by the establishment for trying to help the little guy. The establishment helps him along with that by hating him.

The donors of course don't hate him. The donors don't give a fuck, they donate to both candidates and will get whatever they want no matter who wins. If the people somehow get anything, it's a side effect of giving away public policy or public money to the donors. The issue has actually been studied: [1]https://www.cambridge.org/core... [cambridge.org] . Voter preference has no effect on policy in the US. Only money does. Arguing about which president is better or worse here is like arguing which cheek of the ass does the best farting.

[1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

Why would someone who lived in a communist country not understand voting against communists?

Because the alternative is worse.

Cause they used every underhanded tactic, written and unwritten.

Mass vote suppression in PA by challenging "everyone" who last lived in the state's eligibility to vote.

> that guy's a fraud A to Z. There is nothing appealing about him. Horrible character, lies all the time, has an ego so big the Sun would orbit him if he had gravity.

TBH, many of these things could be said about me too. So, if I was American, I would probably vote for him.

The people did not vote for a saint - the pope lives in Italy. Americans want a ruthless businessman to fix their economy and stop the pointless wars in Europe and the Middle East. Donald did exactly that before and will do it again.

Greedy, selfish and irresponsible people vote for greedy, selfish and irresponsible people, people get the governments they deserve.

America deserves Trump, they need to learn that the upper class is completely incompetent and this is such a great way to do that.

No, this time there are no guardrails. There are no reasonable people to hold him back.

We really don't have any idea how bad it can get but what Project 2025 spelled out is nightmarish.

> It means it's time for both parties to go to work for the people of the country again. Quit targeting people for political persecution and revenge, start working together. Don't target the other side because you disagree with them.

I don’t think that’s going to happen.

In fact, I believe that - as long as there are no meaningful punishments for spurious legal shenanigans - this shit will continue.

For example: There is significant evidence pointing to collusion between the DNC and the New York State Attorney General’s office.

Certainly enough to prosecute both the AC and several members of their staff AND the judiciary.

The process is/was the punishment as then, suddenly, Donald Trump was a felon - at least that was the

Not officially called but Trump lead suggests he is more likely to win at this stage. If stars align and remaining swing states go Kamala then could turn but many think less likely.

Last I checked, NYT was not big Trump fans.... [1]https://www.nytimes.com/intera... [nytimes.com]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-president-forecast-needle.html

NEVERMIND, just refreshed what I was looking at, and saw that Trump had jumped from 248 to 267 electoral votes.

I realised a while back that being from an anti-democratic criminal background was no obstacle for power when Bongbong Marcos won the philipines presidency despite being the scion and son of Ferdiand Marcos the worst kleptocrat in philipines history who looted the whole damn country for his personal profits.

If *that* motherfucker can win an election, nobody is safe from demagogues.

I hope the US pulls through. Its only 4 years and then he's inelligible to run again, but good grief theres a lot of damage that

Democracy is not immune from destroying itself, and the fact that it can do so is not proof that its principles have been disproven. In fact I would say that a fully democratic political system should be entirely capable of destroying itself, just as on a computer fully controlled by the user there should be nothing keeping the user from running "sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root"

Now the US will almost certainly fall into autocracy like Hungary and Russia did, but democracy will live on in other countries, a

Voting in democracy is mostly good for throwing the bums out, the electorate is not engaged enough to follow issues or know details about candidates beyond what is filtered through party aligned media. One of the theories for this election is that it fits a pattern of incumbents being voted out due to covid policies that personally affected them negatively or economics related to it like inflation. Culture war during periods of social and demographic change also figures e.g. radical progressive activism (20

Lol,

Even her own party strategic said she ran a shit campaign, no charisma, crap speaker, and lazy.

You're delusional. You live in a bubble of highly narrow social interaction and cognitive biased information feedback loops.

There have been no adults in the entire city for 3.5 years, much less the room. Your worldview is bizarre. I wonder if you're even American. If not then that explains it as your perspective is meaningless to American voters.

It was not a coin toss. She got trounced. The people have s

I know, right? The press assured me that the corporate-friendly, establishment-approved, politically appointed candidate would save democracy.

> Sorry to say it, but the USA has gone full retard, and is now a shithole country.

The first clue should've been that [1]we don't even guarantee healthcare as a basic human right. [visualcapitalist.com] What other proof do you really need?

[1] https://www.visualcapitalist.com/which-countries-have-universal-health-coverage/

Show me on this history book where the virtue signals touched you.