Singapore To Increase Road Capacity By Tracking All Vehicles With GPS
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/11/04/193242/singapore-to-increase-road-capacity-by-tracking-all-vehicles-with-gps
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> "ERP 2.0 will provide more comprehensive aggregated traffic information and will be able to operate without physical gantries. We will be able to introduce new 'virtual gantries,' which allow for more flexible and responsive congestion management," explained the LTA.
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> But the island's government doesn't just control inflow into urban areas through toll-like charging -- it also aggressively controls the total number of cars operating within its borders. Singapore requires vehicle owners to bid for a set number of Certificates of Entitlement -- costly operating permits valid for only ten years. The result is an increase of around SG$100,000 ($75,500) every ten years, depending on that year's COE price, on top of a car's usual price. The high total price disincentivizes mass car ownership, which helps the government manage traffic and emissions.
[1] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/03/asia_in_brief_nov_4/
You don't solve traffic by knowing where it is (Score:2)
You solve traffic by getting fewer vehicles on the road.
Re:You don't solve traffic by knowing where it is (Score:5, Interesting)
Singapore is complicated. Authoritarian? Yeah, kinda. Their criminal justice system is notoriously harsh(though nowhere near the imprisonment rate as the US, naturally) Anti-poor? Not exactly. I think I've read that by percentage of population, they have more people in public housing than any nation in the world. 77% is a lot of people.
It's kinda necessary in so small and densely populated a country, but in spite of their ruthlessly capitalist reputation there are ways in which they're incredibly economically egalitarian.
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> incredibly economically egalitarian.
According to Wikpiedia, Singapore ranks #21 /194 most unegalitarian (by Gini coefficient). Top of the list: South Africa #1, ... Brazil #10, USA #60, UK #114. Last on the list (Most egalitarian): Slovenia #190, Slovakia, Togo, Uruguay, Malaysia, DR Congo. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_inequality#List_of_countries_by_income_inequality_based_on_Gini_coefficient
Increasing worker efficiency. (Score:1)
Nice move of the city-state-sized Chinese sweatshop named Singapore; they're trying to increase work productivity even more! The fami-Lee will be content!
Better solution (Score:2)
Just buy the routing service from Google and give them direct access to your construction and accident reporting DBs. Mandate its use by all vehicles on your roads.
You'll have traffic distributed across all available routes in more or less the most efficient manner possible without having automated control of all vehicles. With the API you get with that purchase, you can track everyone and tax 'em to cover road wear and discourage unnecessary trips.
Then you can get more exotic and mandate smaller vehicles
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This.
Also their traffic management solution is to go all-in on the "just keep the poors from driving so the roads are less congested for the wealthy" approach.
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Gibson's article has plenty of merit, but their authoritarian state is not appropriately connected to what you wrote about traffic management.
[1]Singapore has some of the best public transit in the world [timeout.com]. [2]The MRT subway system is extensive, clean, efficient, inexpensive, and easy to understand [usnews.com]. It is only by restricting the number of people on the road that public transit can be good. Most countries - especially the United States - have literally defaulted to using the worst sort of default to restrict the n
[1] https://www.timeout.com/travel/best-public-transport-in-the-world
[2] https://travel.usnews.com/Singapore/Getting_Around/
stupid (Score:2)
Especially when that's gonna be extremely expensive for marginal gains compared to transit expansion and more cycleways. Most people don't need to drive and only do so out of a lack of better options, and would rather do without the expense and hassle of car ownership and storage. Not hard to rent a car when you don't have one but need it for a trip or two when you have transit. Hard to catch a bus when your city doesn't invest in transportation and expects everyone to bring farm equipment into the equat
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" expects everyone to bring farm equipment into the equation."
I don't think there are farms in Singapore.
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Regardless of how many cycleways or transit they have, they will still have roads. And when there are roads, they will become congested unless something is done to manage the congestion, like road pricing.
It's a myth that you can build enough transit or cycleways to alleviate car congestion. It's junk economics. If X of people leave the congested roads and ride their bike or the subway, that's great. But now that the road is less congested, X more people will decide to drive now. I'm not saying subways and
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> It's a myth that you can build enough transit or cycleways to alleviate car congestion.
Building transit that [1]doesn't get stuck in traffic [youtu.be] alleviates car congestion, or at least sets an upper limit on how much gridlock people will tolerate before they switch to transit. Run it on 10 minute headways or better during peak travel periods so people don't have to carefully time when they leave the house, and run it 24/7 so people don't get stranded if they miss the last bus or train.
[1] https://youtu.be/RQY6WGOoYis
Why drive when can walk? (Score:3)
The entire country is less than 25 miles wide ... you can walk from the Johor Strait on the West to the Airport on the East in 8 hours. Or take the train -- they have 150 miles of commuter rail tucked into their 25 mile wide roughly semi-circular country. There is no point in the country where you are more than 3 miles from a train station.
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Yet Singapore has been on the cutting edge of surveillance for a long time - 90,000 cameras with 200,000 planned by 2030. All have analytics, facial recognition data, etc.
Surge pricing but for 10 years? (Score:2)
Limiting who uses the road might make sense, but selling access in 10 year chunks makes it much less logical.
Feels like an excuse to extract more money by claiming to solve problems you should have fixed other ways (like by zoning and urban planning).
will get side road vs main highway wrong and stick (Score:2)
will get side road vs main highway wrong and stick the bill on you for the highway when you are really on the side road?
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> will get side road vs main highway wrong and stick the bill on you for the highway when you are really on the side road?
Don't try to dispute it....
It isn't worth fighting the ticket over getting "cained" .....
;)
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> It isn't worth fighting the ticket over getting "cained"....
Kwai Chang or Abel?