Governments Stress Links Between Climate and Nature Collapse (theguardian.com)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/24/11/04/1525243/governments-stress-links-between-climate-and-nature-collapse
- Source link: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/04/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-governments-stress-links-between-climate-and-nature-collapse
> As world leaders gathered in Colombia this week, they also watched for news from home, where many of the headlines carried the catastrophic consequences of ecological breakdown. Across the Amazon rainforest and Brazil's enormous wetlands, relentless fires had burned more than 22m hectares (55m acres). In Spain, the death toll in communities devastated by flooding passed 200. In the boreal forests that span Siberia, Scandinavia, Alaska and Canada, countries were recording alarming signs that their carbon sinks were collapsing under a combined weight of drought, tree death and logging. As Canada's wildfire season crept to a close, scientists calculated it was the second worst in two decades -- behind only last year's burn, which released more carbon than some of the world's largest emitting countries.
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> In global negotiations, climate and nature move along two independent tracks, and for years were broadly treated as distinct challenges. But as negotiations closed at the Cop16 biodiversity summit in Cali on Saturday, ministers from around the world [1]underscored the crucial importance of nature to limiting damage from global heating, and vice versa -- emphasising that climate and biodiversity could no longer be treated as independent issues if either crisis was to be resolved. Countries agreed a text on links between the climate and nature, but failed to include language on a phase out of fossil fuels.
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> The UK environment secretary, Steve Reed, said that attending the summit in Colombia had brought home the links between climate and biodiversity. "One of the other things that's really struck me coming here and speaking to the Colombians in particular is how for them the nature crisis and the climate crisis are exactly the same thing. In the UK, perhaps more widely in the global north, we tend to talk a lot about climate and particularly net zero, and much less about nature -- perhaps because we're already more nature-depleted. But those two things connect entirely," he said. The Cop16 president, Susana Muhamad, Colombia's environment minister, has sought to put nature on a level with global efforts to decarbonise the world economy during the summit, warning that slashes to greenhouse gas emissions must be accompanied by the protection and restoration of the natural world if they are to be effective. Her presidency has repeatedly described nature and climate as "two sides of the same coin."
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/04/two-sides-of-the-same-coin-governments-stress-links-between-climate-and-nature-collapse
As world leaders gathered in Colombia ... (Score:1)
How did they get there? Private jets spewing tons of carbon.
If they are leaders they should lead by example.
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We're not supposed to notice that. Or the evidence that our world has been [1]warming since the Ice Age, and through vastly greater temperature swings than we've seen in centuries [science.org].
And we're not supposed to notice that climate conspiracists has been wrong with [2]every alarmist prediction since the 50's [nypost.com]. Or [3]when certain climate charlatans cause catastrophic damage [nationalpost.com].
[1] https://www.science.org/content/article/500-million-year-survey-earths-climate-reveals-dire-warning-humanity
[2] https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/50-years-of-predictions-that-the-climate-apocalypse-is-nigh/
[3] https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-steven-guilbeault-doesnt-want-your-jasper-fire-questions-hes-saving-the-planet-dont-you-know
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> Or the evidence that our world has been warming since the Ice Age, and through vastly greater temperature swings than we've seen in centuries [science.org].
LOL- you could not have missed the point and data in that article any more if you had actually tried.
You should read shit you copy-pasta.
They show temperature swings that happened over the course of millions of fucking years and then clearly state that "if life doesn't have millions of years to adapt to this, it will die. "
Are you a troll, or are you just too fucking stupid to converse on this topic?
A pertinent quote (Score:2)
When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can't eat money - Alanis Obomsawin
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> and that you can't eat money
Speak for yourself. I find anything becomes palatable with enough barbecue sauce.
need more Nuclear power! (Score:3)
need more Nuclear power!
Blaming problems of your own making on the rain (Score:3)
I don't support entertaining countries attempts to blame the predictable consequences of the gross mismanagement of their own lands on global warming. They need to take responsibility for the consequences of their own actions instead of constantly trying to pawn it off on shit beyond their control.
Is this where the models fail? (Score:2)
> As Canada's wildfire season crept to a close, scientists calculated it was the second worst in two decades -- behind only last year's burn, which released more carbon than some of the world's largest emitting countries.
I've been saying for a while that even the most pessimistic models for AGW don't show how bad things really are, because there are too many unforeseeable factors. I think the magnitude and frequency of forest fires might have been one of those factors.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that an increased rate of warming as a result of more and larger forest fires is now a part of climate change models. But was it in the models before it started happening to a significant and obvious extent?
The reason I mention
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Forest fire acreage in the US is FAR less than it was in the 1920-30s. Fires in the Amazon are set by people wanting to clear acreage for farming.
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[1]Mostly False. [statesman.com]
[1] https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/2021/10/18/did-more-acres-burn-forest-fires-1920-s-and-30-s-than-today/8475394002/
Re: Is this where the models fail? (Score:2)
Fires are perfectly natural. What isn't is trying to put them out all the time. Who flew the helicopter water drops before the white man arrived on this continent?
> Fires in the Amazon are set by people wanting to clear acreage for farming.
Same thing happened before the Europeans arrived here. [1]Farming [wikipedia.org] was common when only 100 million indigenous people occupied South America.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta