NVIDIA Replaces Rival Chipmaker Intel on the Dow Jones Industrial Average (cnbc.com)
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- News link: https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/24/11/02/0328233/nvidia-replaces-rival-chipmaker-intel-on-the-dow-jones-industrial-average
- Source link: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/01/nvidia-to-join-dow-jones-industrial-average-replacing-intel.html
Wait — make that 58.... CNBC reports that [3]NVIDIA is replacing Intel in the DJIA , "a shakeup to the blue-chip index that reflects the boom in AI and a major shift in the semiconductor industry."
> Companies including Microsoft, Meta, Google and Amazon are purchasing Nvidia's GPUs, such as the H100, in massive quantities to build clusters of computers for their AI work. Nvidia's revenue has more than doubled in each of the past five quarters, and has at least tripled in three of them. The company has sginaled that demand for its next-generation AI GPU called Blackwell is "insane...."
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> While Nvidia has been soaring, Intel has been slumping. Long the dominant maker of PC chips, Intel has lost market share to Advanced Micro Devices and has made very little headway in AI. Intel shares have fallen by more than half this year as the company struggles with manufacturing challenges and new competition for its central processors. Intel said in [4]a filing this week that the board's audit and finance committee approved cost and capital reduction activities, including lowering head count by 16,500 employees and reducing its real estate footprint. The job cuts were originally [5]announced in August."
The DJIA will now include four of six tech companies worth $1 trillion — Apple, Microsoft, NVIDIA, and Amazon (which joined in February, replacing the owners of the Walgreens pharmacy chain). The other two trillion-dollar tech companies (not included in the DJIA) are Meta and Alphabet.
Adding NVIDIA to the DJIA will ensure "more representative exposure to the semiconductors industry" within the average, the index's curators [6]told the Washington Post .
And also [7]leaving the DJIA is power-generation company AES (which [8]according to CNBC had a power mix of 54% renewables, 27% natural gas, 17% coal). It will be replaced by Vistra, [9]defined by Wikipedia as America's largest competitive power generator, "with a capacity of approximately 39GW powered by a diverse portfolio including natural gas, nuclear, solar, and battery energy storage facilities."
> In the 2020 [10]Forbes Global 2000 , Vistra Energy was ranked as the 756th-largest public company in the world. The company owns the [11]Moss Landing Power Plant in California which currently (2021) contains the largest battery energy storage system in the world (400-MW/1,600-MWh). As of 2020, the company was ranked as [12]the highest CO2 emitter in the U.S .
[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-stock-gets-added-to-dow-jones-industrial-average-181311632.html
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Jones_Industrial_Average
[3] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/01/nvidia-to-join-dow-jones-industrial-average-replacing-intel.html
[4] https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/50863/000005086324000147/intc-20241028.htm
[5] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/01/intel-intc-q2-earnings-report-2024.html
[6] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/11/01/nvidia-intel-dow-jones-average/
[7] https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/indexnews/announcements/20241101-1475162/1475162_djiadjuaintcdowaes.pdf
[8] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/10/nuclear-is-overblown-as-energy-source-for-data-centers-aes-ceo-says.html
[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistra_Corp
[10] https://www.forbes.com/global2000/#39910f1b335d
[11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moss_Landing_Power_Plant
[12] https://peri.umass.edu/greenhouse-100-polluters-index-current
How are nVidia and Intel rivals? (Score:3)
How are nVidia and Intel rivals?
Intel video cards, up to and including the ARC brand, have always been distant thirds behind nVidia and AMD/ATI.
nVidia doesn't even make a general-purpose CPU anymore like Intel always has.
Re:How are nVidia and Intel rivals? (Score:4, Informative)
Intel wants to sell AI accelerators like Gaudi 3 while NV is starting to produce enterprise system solutions to host their accelerators (Grace/Hopper). There is market overlap.
Traditionally, system integrators that sold a heterogeneous compute solution would source platform and CPU tech from a company like Intel and compute cards from someone like NV. They're both encroaching on the other's territory. Intel isn't doing very well at it.
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> nVidia doesn't even make a general-purpose CPU anymore like Intel always has.
Uh...wut?
[1]https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/d... [nvidia.com]
And coming soon:
[2]https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/... [nvidia.com]
You probably haven't heard of these because they don't market them to consumers, only businesses. This is basically because there isn't really a direct consumer market for them. E.g. no enthusiasts are going around building arm based computers, x86 still has a monopoly on that, mainly because Microsoft has been dragging their feet with Arm support, and software developers have shown little interest in supporting it (e
[1] https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/grace-cpu/
[2] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-unveils-drive-thor-centralized-car-computer-unifying-cluster-infotainment-automated-driving-and-parking-in-a-single-cost-saving-system
Well dayum (Score:2)
I remember when Intel was regarded as well-nigh invincible in the CPU market.
Other markets, not so much. They had success in networking Ethernet adapter chips, but every other venture puttered along for a few years and then eventually folded up and they would return to their "core competency" and that would be a nonstop cash cow for them.
Hard to imagine a future where they return to the preeminence they once had.
This is sad to watch (Score:2)
Intel has long been one of America's greatest companies. It saddens me to see them eclipsed and losing money and market share. They still do a lot of interesting work, for example [1]building the world's largest neuromorphic engine as announced in April '24 [intel.com].
There's also the [2]Core Ultra processor family [intel.com], announced last December, with integrated bluetooth, wifi, 16 cores, etc. I'm not a PC marketing expert but this seems like a pretty powerful chip, albeit they appear to have lost the Apple market to the M ser
[1] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-scales-neuromorphic-research-system-100-million-neurons.html
[2] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/core-ultra-client-computing-news-1.html
Re:This is sad to watch (Score:4, Interesting)
The Core Ultra is a 1st-gen of an architecture change. While promising, it stumbles a bit, and will continue to do so for a few months, until software and firmware related kinks are ironed out. I'd venture to say it will become better (at least in gaming) after a Windows Scheduler update.
It also kind of mandates using CU-DIMM DDR5, which is also relatively new and might have some kinks of its own. While it does work with regular DDR5, the overall performance is a bit strangled.
This pretty much means you need to buy a new CPU, a new motherboard and new RAM in case of an upgrade - which becomes pretty expensive very quickly.
It also makes little sense to upgrade if you already own a 13th/14th gen (maybe even 12th gen) Intel CPU.
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It has been a long time since Intel was a great company.
This is a joy to watch. This is capitalism in action. Poorly run company turns to dust while better run company takes its place.
It's beautiful.
Re: (Score:2, Troll)
This is slashdot, remember? Capitalism bad, socialism good. The product corporations have a responsibility to deliver is jobs, not anything people find useful. It's better that we all have shit technology so long as we're all employed. As rsilvergun teaches, and most slashdotters readily accept, it's that nobody ever breaks the law because they're just being an asshole, it's an act of desperation for food and a job. You see, people like Osama Bin Laden, if he would have simply had a job, he wouldn't have pr
Sat on their laurels for decades (Score:2)
Intel owned the CPU world for many many years. They were innovative and always working hard to make the next big thing while holding prices down.
And then they forgot to innovate. They thought they could shift the entire world to Itanium and when that failed (because it was stupid) they refused to play ball with customers and kept pushing it anyway because of their inflated egos.
Meanwhile AMD gave people what they wanted at a fair price and grew and grew and grew and became the little train that could, und
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What's strange is that Intel hasn't really been knocked off their throne. People still buy CPU's, and they still buy them mostly from Intel. AMD has chipped away and Intel's market share has eroded from high 80%'s to high 70%'s - which is still pretty damn high!
[1]https://pcviewed.com/wp-conten... [pcviewed.com]
Compare that to, say, Blackberry, whose market share would bounce around by that much even during their heyday, before a truly precipitous death spiral:
[2]https://ipcarrier.blogspot.com... [blogspot.com]
It's as if Intel can n
[1] https://pcviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Annual-Market-Share-of-Intel-vs.-AMD-Processors-2013-2024.png
[2] https://ipcarrier.blogspot.com/2011/10/blackberry-enterprise-share-will-drop.html
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Intel has a huge brand name and contracts with manufacturers.
Their actual offerings are weak and their brand is no longer "no one ever got fired buying XYZ".
It can take years for large companies to completely crumble but they're clearly on the way. I give them 2 generations of CPU's to recover. If their i15 and/or i16 aren't very whiz bang must-have above AMD or they don't come out with a highly competitive AI chip to challenge Nvidia or create something completely new and amazing we never knew we needed
Whoops! (Score:2)
To the pinksheets with ya. Yeh, this probably ain't coming back.
Who cares? The Dow sucks as an index. (Score:4, Insightful)
[1]The Dow is not a good index. [stanford.edu] It began as an average of stock-prices of a couple dozen companies, and the kludge has been patched and repatched ever since.
The Nikkei 225 has the same weakness.
The better indexes use market-cap weighting. S&P US 500, S&P TSX 60, and so on.
[1] https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/working-paper/dow-jones-average-impact-fixing-its-flaws
Re: (Score:2)
Here are some other (better?) critiques of the Dow.
[1]https://www.investopedia.com/a... [investopedia.com]
[2]https://retirementresearcher.c... [retirementresearcher.com]
[1] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/financial-theory/10/introduction-to-the-dow.asp
[2] https://retirementresearcher.com/why-the-dow-doesnt-work/
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I'm not going to argue against math but this is mostly a psychological event which will send large investors to pull ever more money from Intel and move it to Nvidia, AMD and others.
Watch for further Intel price drops as they get sucked further into their death spiral.
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Ah, true, true. I was thinking of 401k's and such but didn't consider index funds and similar tracking funds as well. Good catch.
Now would be a bad time to go contrarian to buy Intel. Those of you willing to risk short selling (too risky for my tastes) should take a look.