New US Student Loan Forgiveness Brings Total to $175 Billion for 5 Million People (cnn.com)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/24/10/19/0226232/new-us-student-loan-forgiveness-brings-total-to-175-billion-for-5-million-people
- Source link: https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/17/politics/biden-student-loan-forgiveness/index.html
While this time it was $4.5 billion in student debt for over 60,000 public service workers, "The Biden-Harris Administration has approved $175 billion in student debt relief for nearly 5 million borrowers through various actions," according to [2]an announcement from the White House on Thursday. (So the average amount received by each of the 5 million students is $35,000.) CNN calculates this [3]eliminates roughly 11% of all outstanding U.S. federal student loan debt .
This latest round of forgiveness fixed a loophole in a bipartisan program (passed during the Bush administration in 2007) called Public Service Loan Forgiveness:
> "For too long, the government failed to live up to its commitments, and only 7,000 people had ever received forgiveness under Public Service Loan Forgiveness before Vice President (Kamala) Harris and I took office," Biden said in a statement. "We vowed to fix that," he added... Thursday's announcement impacts about 60,000 borrowers who are now approved for approximately $4.5 billion in student debt relief under PSLF.
CNN points out the total $175 billion in forgiven student debt is more than under any other president — though it's still "less than half of the $430 billion that would've been canceled under the president's one-time forgiveness plan, which was [4]struck down by the Supreme Court last year."
> The Biden administration has made it [5]easier for about 572,000 permanently disabled borrowers to receive the debt relief to which they are entitled. It also has granted student loan forgiveness to more than 1.6 million borrowers who were defrauded by their college... The Biden administration is conducting a one-time recount of borrowers' past payments and making adjustments if they had been counted incorrectly, bringing many people closer to debt relief.
[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/17/student-loan-forgiveness-biden-public-service-debt.html
[2] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/10/17/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-over-1-million-public-service-workers-have-received-student-debt-cancellation-under-the-biden-harris-administration/
[3] https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/17/politics/biden-student-loan-forgiveness/index.html
[4] https://yro.slashdot.org/story/23/07/01/034201/us-supreme-court-rejects-us-student-loan-relief-president-biden-responds
[5] https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/22/politics/biden-student-loan-forgiveness-supreme-court/index.html
Defrauded but still owe? (Score:3)
I'm a little hazy on how you owe money when you were defrauded. Going to a college that made false promises means they lied and defrauded you. That's a crime. So I don't understand how the student (victim of fraud) would be on the hook and not the fraudulent university?
I'm not saying this is exactly what happened just that I don't understand how the victim is still held liable for the loan.
Otherwise, good for Biden/Harris for following through on a government program, Public Service Loan Forgiveness, since that was clearly passed and should be enforced.
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The US structured those student loan programs really stupidly. Technically, the student borrowed money from uncle sam, and then spent it on (sometimes fraudulent) goods. The borrowing and spending are two totally separate things. If I use my credit card to make a stupid purchase, I still owe the $$$.
Fair enough. Except those student loans are un-dischargeable. If you lose your job, career, family, house and you’re living in a cardboard box, and declare bankruptcy, those student loans stick to you
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That’s easy. The shady college can still afford more lawyers than you.
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The problem with your statement though is the word "fraud". Fraud is specifically wrongful or criminal deception for financial gain. It requires an entity or person to knowingly commit fraud.
What fraud did colleges commit? They offered the programs they chose and people willingly took them. Does any college promise a high paying job upon graduation? Of course not, they cannot make that promise. No, unfortunately the fraud is our culture that pushed kids into college. It was our teachers, our pare
Lies all round - but the students are accountable (Score:2)
Everyone was lying about the value of a college education, the government, the universities and the voters. The students also should have know it was a lie. However the big difference here is that the students agreed to pay for the lie. Voters have nearly zero integrity, are selfish and will vote for whoever gives them the biggest short term entitlements. We have created a system that rewards those who tell the biggest lies. Everyone here is a little guilty but the students are the ones that signed to
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There's a difference between lying, which requires intentional falsehood, and being just flat out wrong. No one was lying, they were just wrong.
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That excuse was tired 20 years ago, and it certainly hasn't applied over the last decade.
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The difference is that the children were lied to throughout their middle and high school years by their teachers desperate to give meaning to their own lives as to how without college they were worthless. And children are idiots because their brain structures governing mid term to long term decision making aren't properly formed until 18ish and 24ish respectively.
Official act (Score:2)
This is an “official act” and thanks to the supreme court it’s legal. The worst that can happen is an impeachment vote.
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This corrupt SCOTUS can decide case by case whatever BS they like just like they did when they ruled the constitution was unconstitutional with some legal BS word games the idiot reporters can't grasp, even with professors as guests.
They will if they want find some exception; like in 2000 when they appointed Bush and then said their ruling was a once off non precedent setting ruling.
vote (Score:1)
vote for those who give you money
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> vote for those who give you money
Elon Musk makes $100 offer to Pennsylvania voters to pledge to vote for Trump.
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>> vote for those who give you money
> Elon Musk makes $100 offer to Pennsylvania voters to pledge to vote for Trump.
Which is a violation of election laws. Needless to say, this is not [1]election interference [nbcnews.com] according to the convicted felon, so nothing will be done.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-casts-election-interference-label-everything-facing-federal-char-rcna173754
Hey! (Score:2)
[Please assume the following is written in ALL CAPS] Hey! How come those people get off their debts & don't have to pay anything back?! Good things happening to ordinary people?! That's not the American way! They need to suffer & toil relentlessly like everyone else because reasons!!!
Erm (Score:3, Insightful)
It's not really a "loan" if you don't have to pay it back.
Maybe we should call them "indoctrination sleepover camp stipends".
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These loans created money by fractional reserve though; they weren't loans of "actual" money, and discharging them simply undoes the money creation.
This type of loan discharge does not actually "cost" much in terms of the way people generally consider cost, and the benefit to society is arguably better than the cost it did incur.
Now, as for the harder to predict cost about, does this really incentivize people to just take out loans and hope they are forgiven, and the cost that incurs on society; I cannot sa
Money creation, not deletion (Score:2)
> These loans created money by fractional reserve though; they weren't loans of "actual" money, and discharging them simply undoes the money creation.
No it does not because the money created is now in the hands of the university. A loan is a negative amount of money because it is owing. Deleting it is effectively the creation of even more money. It essentially increases the money supply because now people get to keep and spend the money they would otherwise be using to pay off the loan.
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How about all the politicians who were forgiven in their six and seven figure PPP loans? [1]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/a... [nbcnews.com]
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna44904
College was correlated to a middle income life (Score:4, Insightful)
A college degree was never a ticket to the middle class. A college degree used to mean you where smart, hardworking and came from a background that rewarded delayed gratification. These traits meant that you were likely to succeed. Then as more people got degrees, HR departments got lazy and started using the lack of a degree as a filter. The eliteness of a degree has been diminished, the skills learned have become irrelevant or what was expected from a high school diploma. Loans also removed the delayed gratification aspect of higher education. Going to college became a form of enjoyment and gratification.
The only value in the actual degree paper, for most degrees, is getting past HR. So instead of giving away 175B maybe we should change the hiring process. Ban asking for degrees, ban giving raises to government employees just because they have an additional couple letters to their title. Make HR actually screen for merit.
Don't matter! (Score:3)
The government gravy train for all the grifters is coming to an end. The interest alone on the national debt is now 1 trillion dollars. The government is bankrupt and soon everyone will take the hit for it.
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The government gravy train for all the grifters is coming to an end.
What are you talking about? The biggest grifter of all time is trying to get back in so he can grift off the taxpayers [1]even more [citizensforethics.org] than he did the [2]last time [yahoo.com].
[1] https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trump-legacy-corruption-3700-conflicts-interest/
[2] https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-overcharged-secret-agents-staying-184603608.html
Student loans are insane (Score:2)
All they do is prevent people from getting the qualification that would serve society best. It is no surprise the US still has to import a major portion of its academics. That is incredibly short-sighted.
here's a way this could be more palatable... (Score:3)
here's a way this could be more palatable...
Government takes over the debt, and lowers the interest rate to something closer to zero/or inflation... so only cost is managing it, while students pay the loans back, and not interest.
What is killing the students and the economy is that they are stuck paying upwards of 10K a year for loan repayment a year, only to have their principal drop by a few hundred bucks... anecdotal story of a woman that spent 10 years paying down the student debt and managed to pay 120K. on an 80K loan.. .with the principal dropping to a lovely 76K... I'd be hard pressed to find most people who can pay over 10K a year in debt repayment. Think of the benefit to the economy if that debt was paid off at cost... and the hundreds of billions of dollars being available to spend to drive the economy instead of funding bankers extravagance. This could be massive driver for economic growth.
With next steps being - letting the feds offer tuition assistance at a lower interest rate to those that qualify, with a crap ton of rules/caps to prevent abuse by maybe looking at the dozens of other countries that do this... and maybe states investing in their state schools...
Taxing the poor to aid the rich (Score:3)
This loan shark business is a tax on the working class to aid the upper classes. Robbin Hood in reverse.
Re:Taxing the poor to aid the rich (Score:5, Insightful)
It's even more screwed up than that. They structured student loans as non-dischargeable debt, while also mixing in a mixture of grants, affirmative action, parental income ceilings, and other crap. Then you have the people who lived off of Ramen soup, worked their way through undergraduate and grad school, put off their lives for education, etc. who are going to be legitimately pissed because the message this kind of policy sends the subsequent generations is to spend like drunken sailors and vote money at the next election to the detriment of everybody else. That money comes from somewhere either as higher taxes or inflation when the government prints a bunch of money.
Then you have the people who already paid off their loans who are left out in the cold. Then you have the people who spent like drunken sailors anyway and are now complaining that they have to pay off the debt that they accumulated while bar hopping, taking vacations in Cancun, and narrowly getting a degree in Gender Studies or something equally economically useless.
This goes on and on, which is why it's such a phenomenally bad idea all around. The student loan system released the colleges to raise tuition rates while providing less value, while at the same time disincentivizing the students from using it for something productive. That's why you have secretarial positions that require a four year college degree for no good reason. They don't care what the degree is in, just that you have one. Now to buy votes the government is taxing everybody else (including those who were frugal, paid off their loans, or didn't go to college at all) to give a handout to some target demographic.
I got a useful degree that involved undergraduate, graduate, professional school, and post-graduate training. I worked my way through college, lived at home with the parents to save money, didn't travel, didn't vacation, and so on to keep the total loan down, then I paid it off. Now here come these entitled bozos who did the exact opposite, and the Biden administration gives them five figures. Where's my $35,000 handout?
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> This loan shark business is a tax on the working class to aid the upper classes. Robbin Hood in reverse.
It's way more than just that. They want to destroy the Middle Class for everyone, leaving an uncrossable no-mans-land between the Working Class and them, and they especially want to keep non-white people -- in addition to women -- from getting ahead, acquiring wealth in any form (which very much includes owning property), and very much discouraging non-white people from having families. They couldn't care less if they're told that might mean America falls behind the rest of the world as an innovator, so lon