Lots of PCs Are Poised To Fall Off the Windows 10 Update Cliff One Year From Today (arstechnica.com)
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/10/14/1933221/lots-of-pcs-are-poised-to-fall-off-the-windows-10-update-cliff-one-year-from-today
- Source link: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/lots-of-pcs-are-poised-to-fall-off-the-windows-10-update-cliff-one-year-from-today/
> Organizations and individuals will still be able to pay for three more years of updates, with prices that go up steadily each year (Microsoft still hasn't provided pricing for end users, only saying that it will release pricing info "closer to the October 2025 date.") But for most PCs running Windows 10, the end of the line is in sight.
[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/lots-of-pcs-are-poised-to-fall-off-the-windows-10-update-cliff-one-year-from-today/
Canâ(TM)t upgrade (Score:4, Informative)
Canâ(TM)t upgrade even if i wanted to.
They put arbitrary cpu generation requirements in windows 11. 7th Intel is too old, but apparently the almost identical 8th gen is fine
Re:Canâ(TM)t upgrade (Score:4, Interesting)
Where are Lena Kahn and Elizabeth Warren in opposition to this planned obsolescence?
Re:Canâ(TM)t upgrade (Score:4, Insightful)
Enjoying their MSFT stock dividends, no doubt.
Re: Canâ(TM)t upgrade (Score:1)
At least they are not owned by Saudis that kill journalists.
Re:Can't upgrade (Score:2)
Queue the apologists saying you can still easily upgrade if you jump through some hoops, use some hacks, and have good backups cause MS could brick you at any moment.
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Or just buy a TPM module ffs. It costs less than $10
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> Or just buy a TPM module ffs. It costs less than $10
If your motherboard has a header for it, which many (most?) older ones don't. TPM isn't common on older systems, certainly not v2+ -- my Dell T110 only has TPM v1.2. In any case, you'd still be limited if you have an older CPU...
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Haha, no, a TPM module won't do it.
The Windows 11 requirements require more modern CPUs and 99% of the time that means a new motherboard and CPU which basically means you need a new PC.
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> Queue
Cue.
Like I give a shit (Score:1)
I still have Win XP systems running. Ha
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I still have a windows 7 system too. Absolutely no problems with it.
Oh no... (Score:2)
Anyway.
Last version of Windows? (Score:5, Informative)
I have a vague memory from the time Windows 10 was going through its marketing hype phase before release that it was billed as the last version of Windows (on the grounds that it would basically rolling update forever).
Well that never happened (or I misremembered).
Rolling update of Windows 10 (Score:2)
They call it Windows 11. We got rolled.
Re: Last version of Windows? (Score:5, Informative)
[1]https://www.theverge.com/2015/... [theverge.com]
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows
MOD PARENT UP (Score:2)
Ah thanks!
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I really think MS' plan for Windows 10 was for it to be the last version of windows, and that they were going to make it a Linux distribution and roll it off. There just isn't much more growth available for Windows as a product, so it would have been better to sell services for it and let the development community work on maintenance. That would have allowed them to do things with OneDrive and other cloud services and app stores that they weren't able to do because of their 90's era US monopoly restrictions
Smug penguins (Score:3, Informative)
This is my cue to feel smug because I've been using Linux on the desktop for the last 5 years.
Upgrade (Score:4, Insightful)
[1]https://www.linuxmint.com/ [linuxmint.com]
Yeah yeah, you can't because your important software is not available. In that case pay up. What's so difficult?
[1] https://www.linuxmint.com/
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It's not that it's difficult. It's that in this age of trying to do good by the climate and reduce waste, literally millions of pretty large electronic devices are deemed 'unfit for use' and sent to the landfill because of an arbitrary date in a calendar.
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So install the upgrade I linked and keep using them. They're not getting free Windows updates anymore. If that means "unfit for use" to you, that's on you.
Will be interesting to see how that goes (Score:3)
Since Win10 basically runs everything Win11 runs and essentially is the same system, many people will not downgrade to Win11. Hence it is quite possible that Microsoft will this time fail with their asshole-strategy to force people on new hardware.
Re: Will be interesting to see how that goes (Score:2)
So similar that Microsoft didnâ(TM)t even bother updating either the version number major or minor revisions - only the build number.
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Indeed. The whole hardware incompatibility of Win11 with Win10 hardware is artificial and serves no purpose that would benefit the user.
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I think it is kind of an unholy alliance with hardware makers. MS gets them business, they put MS crap on the machines per default. Essentially.
Important Software. (Score:4, Interesting)
Yes, unfortunately I'm running 20+ year old software that won't ever get another update, so I'm stuck with running Windows 7/10 on two computers. Not that I want to upgrade to 11, the laptop I got my wife six months ago runs Win 11, and I bloody hate it. Who the heck thought turning Windows into MacOS was a good idea?
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The same idiots that thought turning Gnome 3 into MacOS? God that interface sucks.
It is computers on subscription (Score:1)
By the back door. By having to buy a new computer on a regular schedule, causes ewaste and also means that everything has to be migrated and retested. Unfortunately Linux has done the same thing with most mainstream distros requiring "x86-64-v2" and ripping out tried and tested code with Wayland, Btrfs and whatever's been rolled into Systemd by now. It's not just computers either, the shut down of 2G and 3G networks have made those old reliable Nokias literal bricks now, and even reports of electric cars be
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oh come on, still plenty of even 32 bit current distros.... and there is the BSD world too
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If we kept the 2G and 3G networks around forever, and presumably the 4G and 5G as they get superseded, how is radion spectrum going to be freed up for future technology? Who's going to be a customer of these decades old networks to pay for their upkeep? 3G is over 20 years old now. 2G is over 30.
Who's going to make new 2G towers, with their massive 64k peak bandwidth available to .... well you might be the only customer?
Looking forward to it (Score:2)
It'll be nice to pick out a cheap unnecessary obsoleted second-hand laptop by that time to migrate my current Devuan installation to.
Not that I really need more performance than the current 2008 or 2009 Dell, but it's just nice and fun to gain a better toy sometimes.
Switching Gaming PC to SteamOS (Score:2)
My last Windows is my Gaming PC. Wanted to try Gaming on Linux anyway, so this is the necessary motivation.
Oh Windows is bloatware. (Score:2)
Upgrade to Linux Mint 22 with Long Term Support. You can install WINE 9.0 (or Crossover) to use Windows programs. Ive been using it for the last Six months when Windows 10 wouldn't boot after applying an update. You get used to the differences very quickly.
I can't complain about Win11 (Score:2)
Once a month I log in on Windows and do the available updates.
For the last year this has worked without a hitch.
The rest of the month I return to trusted Kubuntu.
BS Requirements (Score:2)
For a family member, I bought them a 8C-16T Xeon with 64GB ECC workstation. BUT, the CPU is "too old" to run Windows 11 officially.
Microsoft is artificially creating e-waste. Luckily the hacker scene has various methods of bypassing Microsoft's artificial hardware restrictions.
(yes, I know Linux/BSDs/etc exist, but this machine is specifically built to run the Adobe suite for multimedia production, of which the F/OSS alternatives are ass in comparison for actual real-world workloads)
Perhaps a lightweight vm for older hardware (Score:3)
I have a server right now that's well over 10 years old with no TPM support whatsoever, 1.0 or 2.0. It's running AlmaLinux 9. I used kvm and libvirt to install a Windows 11 vm a while back and kvm provides a full emulated tpm 2.0 that Windows 11 is completely happy with. The VM runs fine and I access it primarily over rdesktop (rdpwrap to make it multi-user for the win).
Leads me to wonder if a lightweight vm or hypervisor could be devised that provides a virtual TPM and boots up windows 11 and passes all the hardware straight through to it, so it appears and feels like it's bare metal. Would save a lot of good hardware from the scrap heap for casual folks who aren't likely to switch to Linux or buy a mac.
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Anything that patched out the TPM would be considered malware. That said, it's a good idea. I'd go one deeper and say just patch the kernel, probably easier and more efficient than a virtualization layer. Unfortunately, you'd be highly dependent on Windows patch level, but there might be ways around that.
MSFT would eventually try to hose up either strategy, along the lines of "The software's not done until Lotus/Novell won't run".
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Not talking about patching out tpm. We're talking a vm layer that emulates the tpm. Like it said this already works on kvm and libvirt out of the box on Alma Linux 9.
Re: Perhaps a lightweight vm for older hardware (Score:2)
[1]https://www.smoothnet.org/qemu... [smoothnet.org]
[1] https://www.smoothnet.org/qemu-tpm/
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Like I said it just works. I created the vm with virt manager and installed Windows 11.
No Win 11 PCs at my company (Score:2)
My company, right now, does not have a single PC currently running Windows 11. I'm guessing we are not that unique.
The fact is for most office workers, a PC from 2015 is probably still working just fine. The only way MS can get people to buy new PCs today is to scare everyone with shortening service life cycles.
Not switching to W11 (Score:2)
MS can stick it up there where the sun don't shine.
Already dual-booting at home (Score:2)
I'm prepared. Only habit keeps me on Windows really -- all the software I run also has tolerable to good Linux equivalents. Windows 11 feels like Windows 8: an unnecessary bloated turd, but with (even) more telemetry, bloat and dysfunctionality. I guess I'll keep using that at work PCs, but that's about it.
No more forced unsolicited updates (Score:2)
I welcome it.
UpGrAdE tO lInUx (Score:2)
For the vast majority of users, that is not going to happen.
They will just continue to use Windows 10 until they get a new computer which will have Windows 11, or possibly macOS,.preinstalled.
Microsoft is still pushing Win7 updates... (Score:2)
I'm not particularly concerned.
Thank goodness (Score:2)
I have a computer I have been unsuccessfully trying to not be updated for years because every time it does it causes grief. I was always quite annoyed that they force the updates. Good riddance to updates.
Next year is 2032?? (Score:2)
The only tolerable edition of Windows 10 is IoT Enterprise LTSC, and it gets security updates through 2032. Hopefully some miracle occurs and they fire the entire Windows team and make 12 ok, but considering 11 is still getting worse and worse... and 11 LTSC offers only a fraction of the un-fucking 10 LTSC does... really don't know what I'm going to do. But that's at least 8 years away.
I'm going the (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm going to upgrade my old windows 10 PC to Linux i would never pay more to microsoft
Re: I'm going the (Score:2)
Myself as well. Itâ(TM)s good to have a far off end date, as Iâ(TM)m taking to slow deliberate route, testing and learning on an older system.
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Me too. I have been hoping Microsoft would force me to switch to Linux, as it has always seemed a bit too much trouble as long as Windows (kinda) worked.
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I'm not planning on upgrading from Windows 7.
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Could 2025 be the year of the Linux desktop?!