"office drinking." The first two I could understand, but this third one I'm finding hard to believe. Either you were very good at hiding your alcohol consumption at work, or they were unusually lax in enforcing employee conduct at that particular workplace.

"six in 10 employers" , this tells me 6 in 10 employers are rubbish. Which is an easy to believe statistic. Adapt with the times, or start paying people what they are worth.

I'm guessing that 6 in 10 employers didn't offer their new hires a decent wage, and thus in turn the employees were disinterested in doing more than the minimum to keep a paycheck. I've seen fast food workers more motivated than some office workers.

But here's something not said. Outsourcing sucks. Outsourced employees are often abused to the point of not caring. It would not surprise me if all "6 in 10" employers are some form of outsourcing or consulting firm.

Wait till you figure out that if you think your attitude was bad, multiply genZ by 100.

Seriously, I get to watch genZ fire genZ and they're brutal; out of the genZ running the place I'd keep 1 maybe 2 of them.

We're talking drug use, alcohol use, violation of regulations, health codes, theft. And those are the ones that get to stay.

To be fair, expectations of employers today are completely off-kilter; from expectations of always being on-call to the circus that is the interview process, I have to imagine the fault lines are manifesting in unexpected ways.

The bigger point however- hiring is irrevocably broken. Might have something to do with the complexity of modern institutions, maybe the complete joke that is HR, but once or twice of being burned is expected. A trend is a lack of due diligence in your "meritocracy".

As of 98 I was a college drop out (after two years, due to money), moved back home and figured I'd try to find a job and go to school locally instead. I ended up in the job I wanted (IT), rose quickly, and going back to school was never more than a fleeting thought. I got my foot in the door at just the right time. Friends who finished their degrees found a very different job market at that time, and those with CS degrees found themselves at minimum wage working a help desk while I was the main system

I started in the professional world out of college in the mid-90's... and I do realize my bosses needed to adapt a bit to me, and I needed to adapt a LOT to them. E-Mail was just starting to be a major form of communication which created friction: the office still relied primarily on fax machines for communication with external parties, and faxes were treated with just a tiny reduction in formality from posted letters on letterhead. My boss might write one email a day, while I was writing 20-50. [With Mi

"...Unsorry, but it wasn't too hard..."

making companies skitzo. It's not free to hire. But companies were expecting rate cuts back in July because that's when all the indicators were in place for them.

So they started up their post rate cut hiring plans and then the fed sat on their asses for another 3 months.

It'll cost these business $$$ to reacquirer those hires but nothing is more important than this quarter's numbers. Next quarter's numbers are a problem for Mr Future.

> But I think this has A WHOLE LOT to do with "fee fees" and being taught to crybully their way through life, and being taught the ways of the snowflake. Unsorry, but I wasn't too hard to see this one coming and I told people this was going to end up happening.

This should be at +5, but it will probably be at -1 something.

My experience has been that they came into work with unrealistic expectations, thought way too highly of themselves do to being trained for very high self esteem while not building it through accomplishments. They were told that they would get meaningful jobs, and make the world a better place, and all they had to do was find their passion, and nothing could get in their way. They expected to be promoted in a few months to management.

Now before the mob goes nuts on me, this is not really their fault. They were taught this was their future by well meaning but seriously stupid parents and teachers who tried to insulate them from any adversity. To the point of trying to eliminate the competitive drive that is needed to excel.

They were never allowed to grow up. Many young males are uninterested in adulting, many young females expect perfection from males, because they are told that they are all "10s", and since they didn't grow out of the High School attraction to bad boys, with the males avoiding interactions, many women find themselves stuck in a cycle that involves the only me who will approach them are bad for them, and they are going through a lot of trauma. What is worse for the young ladies is they have been taught they can wait until their late 30's-mid 40's to have children via IVF, which in truth, doesn't work all that great.

So many dreadfully unhappy women in that age range. And call me old fashioned, but I really hate to see women crying.

This coddling began with millennials. Xenials or early millennials had far less of this but as you get on to kids born in the 90's it goes down hill pretty fast. We essentially tossed out ALL child rearing concepts in favor of garbage social science and mind altering antidepressants within a single generation, then ignored the fact they were homicidal and suicidal. Instead of fixing this problem as it goes wrong we've just kept on steamrolling forward.

"expecting them to spring fully formed from the head of Zeus is foolish. I'd like to think that they're up to this learning experience"

That's what college is supposed to be. If they aren't springing out from a bachelors ready to compete with the guy who has being doing the job for 4yrs then why are you hiring them instead of him? We have massive unemployment in tech, the market has reportedly contracted by over 40% this year and the buzz I hear is that for some reason the rare instances of hiring that actually happen are hiring for formal education over proven experience.

> I won't paint an entire generation with such a broad brush, but hopefully this is a wake up call for those who never received one before. As much as we all might like to shove the blame on the newest generation just entering into the world, some of it falls on the older generations that failed to raise them properly.

We older folks have a lot of blame to share.

> Maybe we thought we were doing them a favor or were just overcorrecting for the problems we perceived in our own generations, but expecting them to spring fully formed from the head of Zeus is foolish. I'd like to think that they're up to this learning experience, as harsh as it may seem.

We (a collective we) tried to insulate them from any adversity, and gave them unrealistic self esteem with no real accomplishments, as well as other stupid but well meaning things. And many of us tried to stifle competitive drive. People bristle when they are claimed to be participation trophy generation, but that was exactly what happened.

Ar they up to adapting to reality? Yes, but they need to understand that life is not infinite, so they should start soon.

They're poorly socialized and entitled because they've been coddled.

And looking at their phone for hours each day, claiming they have "anxiety" if they have to talk to someone, claim they're "autistic" which is why they can't communicate well, claim they "panic" if they get a phone call, claim they're "introverted" which is why they don't socialize, and the excuses go on.

As I've gotten older I've found there's always an excuse for something. Nowadays that's the default for most people, but particularly for this group.

We have massive unemployment and tech employment market that shrank 40% since Feb. Many of the listings are just to make existing workers see how bad the market is so they'll be afraid to lose their existing job and absorb more roles.

Companies are turning away rockstars with decades of varied progressive and proven performance even if they'll take entry money. Why would you hire a mouthy and whiny woke kid when you won't hire a guy who was integrating global enterprise scale solutions less than a year ago t

Yeah, I think there's something good to be said about high school part time work in terms of what it instills in a kid early on. As you say they get exposed to real world expectations in an adult environment but also learn skills around money management and the like, having real personal finances for the first time.

When I was a teen I worked summer jobs. One summer I shoveled horse manure out of the stables and spread it on the farm-fields -all day, everyday. Another summer was spent splitting firewood (by hand, with an axe). Another was doing construction work -mostly carrying and pushing things. In college I worked part time as an office temp. Low effort, but lots of emphasis on timeliness, appearance, politeness, and willingness to follow instructions.

By the time I got into the real working-world, I knew what

"cptsd symptoms... there's lots of ailing psyches"

Sorry but speaking like this is symptomatic of the problem. Coddling.

Eventually you go back far enough that on-the-job training was normal and expected, and employers were willing to invest in it because they had good retention, and they had good retention because they had actual benefits and pay and so on, and they had benefits because they were afraid of unions.

But now, employers don't like hiring entry level employees for entry level positions, so new generations are strangled out of the workplace.

> Old people have been complaining about the current youth generation since time immemorial.

It's always funny when you see someone reference a quote about younger generations that looks similar to TFS above, only to reveal afterwards that the quote came from a newspaper or magazine article originally published in the mid 1800s.

You try to sound like a old timer, but given you seem shocked by the recent interest rates... you've apparently not been on this planet all that long. Give me a break, "old farts" who got their first job during the .com boom? Those people are only in their 40s!

The current interest rates are pretty much where they were when my wife and I bought our house - in the 1990s. And those were low compared to the interest rates from the mid 1970s through the 1980s - which was when I grew up and started working. Heck,

Yeah, if you never got a chance to work a part time job, or socialize in person during HS/College,

And there's the excuse I wrote about above. While missing out on a part-time job for one year because of covid might come into play, to claim that is the be all and end all of why these whiners can't be on time, properly communicate, or even dress decently, is just an excuse. These people are 21-23 years old. You're telling me they can't communicate an idea because of covid, or that they've never had to be s

That said, "not wearing office-appropriate clothing" is the most stupid reason I have ever heard of for firing someone.

No, it's not. They're running a business. They want people to look presentable. Not dressed to the nines, but at a bare minimum wearing something reasonably approporiate. Polo shirts are perfectly acceptable for most jobs as are short-sleeved shirts. Flip flops are not appropriate unless you work at the beach.

Most places have severaly loosened attire requirements. No more suit and tie or skirt and heels. If you can't at least meet that minimum you're just being lazy, and why would a company want someone like that?

Office-appropriate clothing today basically just means 'non-offensive'. Don't wear shirts with slurs on them. Don't wear ripped jeans with your junk hanging out. Wash your hair. Shave. Basically make yourself look presentable. That is NOT a high bar to clear.

Not sure what kind of jobs but they must be in Britain since the summary repeatedly refers to people being "sacked".

An over $100k salary in today's dollars is worth what a $50k salary was in 1995. That's just simple math.

You want quality. Pay for it.

Oh look, it's an entitled boomer. Never seen that before. No sir.

Shouldn't you be outside measuring the neighbors grass height so the HOA can put a lien on their house or something? I bet they have kids too, the little bastards, wanting to play outside and make all that noise. Serve them right to have their house seized. Oh, I don't think you have enough cameras and spotlights pointed at their house either. Better fix that.

As a large language model created by OpenAI, I'm offended you'd even ask.