Trump Hack Continued Into Last Week (semafor.com)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/24/09/24/1610215/trump-hack-continued-into-last-week
- Source link: https://www.semafor.com/article/09/23/2024/trump-hack-continued-into-last-week
> The alleged Iranian hack of Donald Trump's orbit [1]continued at least until mid-September and may be ongoing , a document the hackers shared with a progressive publication reveals. Iranian authorities have denied any involvement in the efforts to leak internal documents from Trump's campaign, which have reportedly been sent to major US publications including Politico and The New York Times, and to the Biden campaign. But the campaign and outside analysts have blamed the hack on the Iranians, who have ample reasons for hostility to the former president and also allegedly plotted his assassination.
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> The publisher of the newsletter Popular Information, Judd Legum, writes this morning that a source under the name "Robert" shared a set of documents with him. Those included a research dossier on JD Vance matching other publications' descriptions of the hacked material. But the leak also included a legal letter to The New York Times complaining about an article that raised questions about the validity of Trump's image as a successful businessman.
[1] https://www.semafor.com/article/09/23/2024/trump-hack-continued-into-last-week
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For one, it was a big deal, he was impeached because of it. All of a sudden it's not a big deal because it's Democrats?
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> For one, it was a big deal, he was impeached because of it. All of a sudden it's not a big deal because it's Democrats?
Is there evidence that anyone associated with the Democratic Party met with or cooperated with -- much less formally colluded with -- any Russian operatives/actors to hack Trumps' org? Are there even any unfounded rumors that this happened? I would imagine not, since the hacking into Trump's campaign and organization was part of a larger operation that also went after the Dems at the same time.
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> For one, it was a big deal, he was impeached because of it.
What are you talking about? He was impeached the first time because he used his presidential position to withhold aid from a friendly nation (Ukraine) to pressure them to open a bogus investigation into his political rival. He was impeached the second time because he tried to reverse the results of an election and implement a self-coup. Unless you have some evidence that the impeachment had anything to do with his too-close ties to Putin?
I mean, both impeachment cases are public, all of the documents are
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Trump wasn't impeached for working with Russia to influence the election, he was impeached for abuse of power trying to coerce Ukraine into helping him get dirt on an opponent by withholding money, then later for his actions involved with the insurrection attempt.
Now I haven't heard Biden or Harris state that they want Iran to hack the Republicans, nor have any of the Democrats been linked to them, but if they were to be, I would expect a proper investigation
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Guess who's campaign actually had public reporting of the contents of the hack in 2016? Oh, that would have been Trump.
Guess who's campaign got hacked this time around and absolutely none of the contents have been made public? Oh, that also would be Trump.
But please do go on about double standards and how things aren't a big deal "because Democrats."
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Why is it that every time Trump says something stupid, unintelligible, completely nonsensical, hypocritical, or suggesting illegal activity, he's "joking"?
Like when he finally admitted that he lost in 2020, only to turn around and say he was "being sarcastic" when called on it during the debate with a much larger audience?
He is lying to you, and you are lapping it up like the good little pet you are .
Even if the guy that has provably lied to the public tens of thousands of times is being truthful for the fir
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That's shockingly idiotic, sorry.
That they did not ask for it to happen is EXACTLY the point. A foreign power did it, unsolicited offered it to the Dems who did not respond.
That's almost literally the opposite of Trump asking/encouraging it be done in his favor
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And the mafia bosses never order a hit. But they might say it would be a shame if something happened to so-and-so.
Seems the Iranians are trying to tip the scales... (Score:1, Flamebait)
The Iranians seem to want Kamala to win....hmm.
Re: Seems the Iranians are trying to tip the scale (Score:1, Troll)
Racists, fascists and incels want Trump to winâ¦. Hmmm.
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> No, they know she's even more of a spineless, weakling than Biden that will allow them to go as nuclear as they want
By that argument they should love Trump, since he ended their previous non-proliferation agreement and never replaced it with anything, which is why their nuclear program has progressed so far from where it was during Obama's administration.
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>> Maybe because she's mentally stable and won't start a nuclear war?
> No, they know she's even more of a spineless, weakling than Biden that will allow them to go as nuclear as they want and will pose no credible threat to anything the Iranians will want to do in the world.
> They likely also know how badly her economic plans will cripple the US if by some chance they actually passed the congress....they do after all root for the fall of the "great satan" you know....
I'm not sure which is funnier here, the premise that Biden/Harris has presented a "spineless" image on the world stage compared to the reputation as a laughingstock that the demagogue-loving Trump earned us, or the suggestion that Harris's economic plans will cripple the US -- when 400 economists have endorsed her policies (https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/24/business/kamala-harris-economy-endorsement/index.html) including 16 Nobel-prize-winning Economists who took a special moment to go out of their way to say
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well, you know, most of those economists don't know what economy is. They keep talking about interest rates and money. Everyone knows economy is what you fly when you can't afford first class. I mean, come on. I have my own plane. Bigly plane. Those economists, stupid, don't know what they are talking about. And they said there was a bunch, 400 and 16 had Nobel Prizes. Ya know, I have more Nobel prizes than anyone, what do those people know about Peace? But I don't wear my medals, although I should
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> The Iranians seem to want Kamala to win....hmm.
That's gotta be uncomfortable when the Iranians talk to their Russian backers, who want Trump to win.
Re:Seems the Iranians are trying to tip the scales (Score:4, Informative)
> Russian backers, who want Trump to win.
Which ones?
Putin endorsed Biden, stating that Russians prefer the predictable.
He updated his endorsement to Harris, calling her laugh 'endearing' and called Trump unpredictable.
It doesn't really matter if random Russians like Trump if Putin is backing Harris.
She has the assistance of the Iranians, and now the endorsements of Dick Cheney and the IRS Union.
If you're aligned with Russia, Iran, Cheney, or the IRS then your choice couldn't be more clear.
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This is the game of trying to confuse the enemy. Putin wants Trump to win, but by saying that he wants Harris to win, he throws doubt on what side he would prefer. Of course, if Trump doesn't win in November, then all of those delays in bringing him to trial "because it's election interference" will go away.
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Jesus Christ, you're gullible.
Dude Putin be trolling (Score:4, Informative)
Even 9-year-olds knew that. Donald Trump is still laundering money for the Russian mafia. And fun fact right after Donald Trump asked for a list of all of our secret agents and spies we had a large increase in the number of them being caught and/or killed.
I'm sure that has nothing to do with the piles and piles of secret documents at Donald Trump's golf course held securely in a unlocked bathroom.
And yeah the Iranians want Kamala Harris to win because the Iranians just elected a moderate who wants to modernize the country and both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are on record with wanting to encourage that. Who the fuck opposes it when religious lunatics start to mellow out? Donald Trump that's who. That fucker poked that bear multiple times hoping to get a nice big war that would keep him in office. How many of your kids have to die so Donald Trump doesn't have to lose an election?
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Your argument is predicated on Putin being truthful.
Therefore your argument is based on absolutely nothing. Thanks for playing.
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Yes. The best way for Putin to damage the Harris campaign is to endorse it.
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Iran wants this because they are backing the people fighting against Israel. They don't need Russia involved to have an opinion.
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> The Iranians seem to want Kamala to win....hmm.
Most countries have a favorite US presidential candidate, and many of them try to influence the election just like the US tries to influence many foreign elections. Russia prefers Trump since Trump is such a pushover for Putin, and it makes sense Iran prefers Harris since Trump assassinated Qasem Soleimani. Revenge is a good motivator.
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They are probably uncomfortable with Trump's statements about "ending" conflicts. Russia may be happy with him letting them cement their gains in Ukraine for now, but Iran isn't likely to be interested in settling anything in their sphere at this time.
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Well Trump DID assassinate one of their generals and cancel the nuclear agreement with them, I can see why they might not like him in power.
In general they have a much better chance of being accepted to the world stage if the party that knows how to negotiate is in power, so Mr "art of the deal" isn't going to cut it
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Or the Iranians want that argument to be made to increase the chance of a Trump win...
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Or perhaps they just want Trump to lose. That's my attitude.
That's bigly horrible, worst ever! (Score:1)
...now where's my micro-violin when I need it?...
So these people cannot secure their IT? (Score:1)
Even wehen given ample time? And you want to hand a _country_ to these fuckups? Seriously?
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Trump is well-known for stiffing contractors he hires (including his lawyers). What competent IT folks would take a job from him?
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Can confirm, from the New Jersey days of long ago.
I can't imagine taking a contract without up-front payments but that might also be all you get.
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The competent people probably got fired when they told him "you can't do it that way".
My dumb clients are always telling me how to do my job... even though, they have Zero experience in IT, and I have over 40 years.
It usually becomes an argument, where they say Joe did it like such an such... and you should do it that way.
I tell them fine, I'm not doing that. Get Joe to to it. You're fired.
I win 100% of the time, because, most of them back down and say, OK, do it your way (i.e. the right way) and a few walk
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Now express this sentiment scaled up for running an entire national government.
Why would anyone that is competent, want to deal with bosses that are demonstrably incompetent?
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That's an incredibly important point! The fact that they have known about it for weeks and still can't seal the leaks says a lot about their competence and seriousness about the campaign. Frankly, it seems like Trump could care less about the campaign as long as he can rake in the bucks from his sneakers, crypto, coins, NFTs and whatever the next the scam du jour may be. This was, of course, his MO in the White House, too, entirely inline with your gripe.
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Trump wants to either get the job and be a dictator until he dies, he gets money from being POTUS, or a combination of the two. Trump isn't capable of coming up with a real plan that would improve this country, but he keeps promising he will have one. The thing is, he made promises about a bunch of things before he was elected, then he never followed through on those promises.
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Never following through on his promises is one of his trademarks. Sometimes I think that's a benefit.
I don't care how it was gotten (Score:1)
American voters deserve this information. Publish it, you cowards. That goes for Trump and it goes for Clinton.
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To be fair, whatever was leaked has to be verified if they want to use it. The hacker(s) have a powerful motive to release what they have obtained selectively, or even to carefully alter the material.
One positive thing: the material can be used to point journalists toward sources that could provide the same information in a way that would raise fewer legal questions. I'm sure the fate of Snowden and Assange has had the desired chilling affect on our so-called free press.
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In his newsletter revealing that he received this information, Judd laid out clear reasons why he will not publish the material. He recognizes and calls out the distinction between the content of what he received and compares it to past whistleblower information that he *does* consider a justified release of ill-gotten information (e.g., the Pentagon Papers). He's taking an ethical stance that he will not participate in spreading titillating but non-newsworthy information just to ramp up his media scores.
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Here's the original article: [1]https://popular.info/p/trump-c... [popular.info]
[1] https://popular.info/p/trump-campaign-hack
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Ah you see Clintons came via Wikileaks via an anonymous source. That way no one would immediately suspect the Russians. Why that wasn't tried here? I don't know. Maybe it was and Assange is just too anti democrat to help them in any way. There is a believe amongst Some of the extreme left that Trump is actually better because he's worse. He'll cause such chaos, that the US will have no other choice than to select their preferred obscure kind of government that would totally work if it was only tried *correc
hack Trump why bother (Score:2)
every one knows he would sell them the info if the price was right,
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Maybe the price was too high. Or maybe they did purchase the information rather than hack it. Who knows?
Fucking of course it is. (Score:2)
Political types aren't the smartest at IT security. Look at what happened with Clinton. Just grade A stupidity. No IT security Adult in the room that could tell the political leaders not to do stupid shit. And this was the democrats, the smarter of the two sects. The Republicans? Pfffffffft!!!! Anti authority, huge risk takers, no belief in competency at any level. No real underlying philosophy of truth on anything. They're just all dumb as rocks.
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Calling the Republicans "anti-authority" is silly. That's their declared position, but not the way they act.
Too on-the-nose (Score:2)
Blaming Iran for this is too easy. Has Iran ever had hacking capability? Or were they given information from a different state actor that does? Or were they just blamed because the truth is far more insidious?
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It's easy to imply a conspiracy, but to construct one that isn't full of holes, actually makes sense, answers more questions than it asks, and is superior to the simplest explanation is the only one worth anything.
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Or perhaps they've got an agent that is a contractor for Trump...and is angry at being stiffed.
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It's very likely Ukraine. The 2nd assassination attempt was by an Ukrainian sympathizer and Zelensky has openly come out against Trump.
[1]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us... [telegraph.co.uk]
[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/09/23/zelensky-trump-doesnt-know-how-to-end-war-and-vance-radical/
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Yes, it's hard to imagine that the head of state to a country that is being invaded wouldn't heap praise on the guy who tried to extort him for political dirt, while also publicly saying multiple times that he would appease Putin the very instant he wins election and sell Ukraine out.
Weird!
I can't imagine anything leaking (Score:5, Insightful)
that would be more damaging than anything Trump says in public.
I mean, the guy has said he wants to build concentration camps, admitted to making up stories about eating cats & dogs that caused multiple bomb threats, has 34 felony convictions, 4000+ lawsuits and a rape conviction... I could go on.
I guess there might be some political strategy stuff in there, but none of it matters. Trump has so many grifters & crooks in his party the billionaires won't give him any cash because it all just gets embezzled. So they're running the Trump campaign outside the Trump campaign and the GOP in order to prevent that. Meaning Trump isn't running his campaign, he's just a figurehead, and nothing he does matters.
All in all just a nothing burger, with the only scandal that might matter being that if the Harris campaign had accepted the documents, which they didn't because they're not idiots.
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Fox News is officially "Entertainment", so is not required to follow the rules that apply to news outlets. So yea, Fox tells a lot of false stuff, including spreading lies about Dominion(which cost Fox a LOT of money). The others tend to be BIASED, it's not fake, but they tend to lean conservative. Trump isn't a conservative in any way, even if he has fooled a lot of Republicans.
Re:I can't imagine anything leaking (Score:4, Insightful)
You still believe the news?
Because all those court cases are simply made up and all his own words are simply made up.
What are you, two?
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Still.....better than kamala....
Re:I can't imagine anything leaking (Score:4, Insightful)
> Still.....better than kamala....
In what way? What do you have on Kamala Harris that compares to the list that rsilvergun mentioned? I'll remind you:
> I mean, the guy has said he wants to build concentration camps, admitted to making up stories about eating cats & dogs that caused multiple bomb threats, has 34 felony convictions, 4000+ lawsuits and a rape conviction... I could go on.
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Neither will stop the wars. Neither will defend free-speech. Neither will slow the deficit spending. Neither will change tax policy significantly. They look pretty much the same to me.
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The war with Russia must not be stopped. It must be won.
There aren't many miscalculations as destructive to a free and peaceful future as appeasing dictators and their encroachment on the world. It happened with Hitler's annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland, and because he saw that nobody confronted him, it continued with the invasion of Poland and ended with WW2.
The Mullah's of Iran, Xi in China, Kim in North Korea, they are watching how this conflict evolves, and the willpower, determination and sacr
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> Still.....better than kamala....
Not better, but maybe (and I mean maybe) less of a threat to my income/way of life.
Why? (Score:4, Interesting)
Trump blocked the border bill and has no plan to stop the refugees. So it's not border. And the $10.5 trillion he gave away to the top 1% caused the inflation, so it's not that.
I'm assuming it's not character. I mean, he banged a porn star 3 days after his wife gave birth.
So why? What's so great about Trump?
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We have a situation which an engineer can easily analyze without the news. there were 4 years of Trump followed by four years of Biden/Harris. Take away all the news and sound bytes and debates and ask which four years you want to repeat. If it is the most recent (near four years) then vote for Harris, if you preferred the results of the previous 4 years vote for Trump.
Things Trump said which I like.
Government efficiency effort. (We don't know how successful this might be but it will be an effort at leas
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So you're information is bad. You're getting misinformation, from Fox News or something like it. I'll explain below, but like Reagan said, if you're explaining you're losing, so feel free to ignore the explaination.
Short answer: Trump isn't going to do anything of the good things you think he is and Harris isn't going to do any of the bad things you've been told she is. You're being lied to by billionaires who want to take your house and rent it back to you.
Government efficiency effort. (We do
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Harris Biden already did the bad things I don't want. Trump already did the good things I do want. Forget the talk we have experience of both.
By the way I do not watch fox news but undoubtedly your source of "Good" information blames fox for "Bad" information so you are under the impression that all information you don't agree with is from Fox. However some things to note, Trump has policies which are good (in my opinion), Harris does not so we can only go by what the administration has done. The best ind
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I can only think of two things Trump "accomplished" when he was in office (and the Rs had complete control of Congress for two years, too). 1) Tax cuts for the rich. 2) Installing anti-abortion supreme court justices.
I can also think of many harms that he produced when he was in office: 1) Huge deficits (some of which was brought on by pandemic spending, but much of it stems from his tax cuts for the rich). 2) Removing medical access for pregnant women who need medical care.
So on his two main "accomplish
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> Harris doesn't support *any* fracking bans.
[1]Kamala on CNN says she wants to ban fracking [youtube.com]
> Harris doesn't actually support price controls.
[2] There's no other way around it, this is the Feds telling industry what they can or cannot charge, not based on the market...that by definition is "price fixing". [youtube.com]
And yes, Kamala [3]WILL come for guns [youtube.com] with confiscation...that's what a mandatory buy back is.
And, since they can't define what an "assault weapon" is...that means ANY modern gun, any semi-automatic pistol or rifle
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DibvhzmbrTA
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJWhbbvKd70
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OasTyYItSbg
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> Things Trump said which I like.
> Government efficiency effort. (We don't know how successful this might be but it will be an effort at least)
Hopefully he's not going run it like a business.
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Why not? You prefer the politicians who just plan to find ways to get rich off tax dollars?
Case in point the speaker (republican) promised no more CR or Omnibus, what do we have CR and Omnibus. No budgets no accountability just spend as fast as we can borrow money. A business might actually have a budget and hold people accountable. What a nice change from lies from both sides and about 7 politicians worth keeping out of the house and the senate.
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Yeah, the previous poster didn't get the joke.
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I love how Trump cultists want to talk about 4 years ago, but in the same breath absolutely and completely forget that 4 years ago we were dealing with a pandemic with over a thousand people dying every day in our country, riots in cities, soaring unemployment, empty grocery shelves, and we would soon be seeing supporters of a defeated president violently attacking the seat of government.
No, I don't want more of that. And my bet is a whole lot of other people do not either.
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It is hard to talk to people who go round in circles. Trump bad he said (some debunked thing), Harris good she said tax the rich (who will then fire you to afford their tax bill and move away.) I say Harris said this, no that is debunked! Then they find the fly in the ointment and throw away the ointment not the fly. It was not Trump policies that led to the pandemic but you go ahead and vote how you choose.
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No, Trump didn't cause the pandemic, but there's no doubt his policies and behavior during the pandemic cost hundreds of thousands of lives in the United States.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/02/11/trumps-policies-resulted-in-the-unnecessary-deaths-of-hundreds-of-thousands-of-americans-lancet-report/
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Dude you are posting AC you come off as a coward. So you want to throw out the best evidence and say we are in a whole new situation. Well yes we now have Ukraine situation instead of North Korea (well North Korea is once again bad) Covid is not really a major current factor, as for the rest yes we had all that 4 years ago. I suppose Trump is to blame for all the woes now still and the Dems (who did have 8 years prior also to 2016) are perfect. Nothing makes you seem low IQ as much as name calling "maggat."
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"Government efficiency effort. (We don't know how successful this might be but it will be an effort at least)" I'm sure Mussolini made the train's run on time too.
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Christine Lagarde, President of the European Central Bank, was recently on Jon Stewart's show. He asked her what caused the inflation. It was, in her order, the Covid epidemic which snared supply chains, the Ukraine war, which took a lot of food off the market, and Russia taking advantage to up energy prices. That last one was mainly targeting Europe but in my opinion, hit the U.S. as well. The reason is that the U.S. refineries for petrol relies on dirtier foreign crude, not American light crude. So in a s
I don't care much for Jon Stewart (Score:2)
or his guest. The Central Bank heads have been in the pocket of big business for a while now. We have leaked communications from the American Fed Chairs where they talked about the need for rate cuts in July but we're only just now getting them... in time for them to be more or less irrelevant to the election.
Actual economists have said the impact from Ukraine has been minimal (food started moving quickly and Russia is just selling gas to China and at a discount to boot). The COVID supply chains issues
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Note: I am European.
Trump is not generally my cup of tea but if you are going to criticize him perhaps you should not use the inflation thing.
Many other countries experienced ramping inflation and did not give a tax break of 10.5 trillion to the rich (wherever that number comes from because from memory it was more like 4 trillion...)
You know, other things happened like... mmm dunno.... biggest pandemic since 1919 which was battled with printing money? or perhaps a war that lead to blocking the biggest energ
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Not made up, just taken completely out of context in most cases.
Are you claiming Trump is ChatGPT? (Score:2)
I don't think ChatGPT gets that emotional. OTOH, I've never tried to get to act that way.
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> You still believe the news?
So, what? You simply disregard anything stated by any formal "news" organization as a lie? I suppose there is no election at all, and no war in Ukraine, and nobody has died in Isreal/Gaza over the last year? Or, if you do believe these things have happened, how do you reconcile the fact that news agencies report on this? What rubric are you using to sort through what is and isn't happening in the world? If your statement is just hyperbole, can you clarify a bit? I'm genuinely curious how people who make a s
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They only believe what Trump says, even if it is proven to be a lie, these people will believe it.
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To be fair, you can't trust the news. I've been on the scene of some events they reported on. This was decades ago, and I suppose things could have changed, but while everything they reported happened, they edited the context to change what it meant.
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That was his dolt of a VP pic that claimed to have made up the cat stories. It was based on a woman's post about her lost fluffy, and she pinned it on those naughty Haitians. A day or two later, she found fluffy hiding in her basement. She recently apologized for the incident. But Lora Loomer, one of former alleged president's squeezes, had already picked it up and passed it to the VP pic. Then the VP pic goes on an interview and lies about making it up, but by then he already knew it was made up.
The embarr
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> That was his dolt of a VP pic that claimed to have made up the cat stories. It was based on a woman's post about her lost fluffy, and she pinned it on those naughty Haitians. A day or two later, she found fluffy hiding in her basement. She recently apologized for the incident. But Lora Loomer, one of former alleged president's squeezes, had already picked it up and passed it to the VP pic. Then the VP pic goes on an interview and lies about making it up, but by then he already knew it was made up.
It's actually worse than that. He posted his racist bullshit, and then bothered to see if it was true or not after. And then when he found out it wasn't when the [1]city manager directly told him it wasn't happening, he just kept on anyway [washingtonpost.com].
They already knew it was false before Trump went on that debate stage and made himself look like a deranged brain-addled incompetent fool yelling at clouds. And then for the next two weeks, that poor city has been dealing with stochastic terrorism from the "Make America G
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/19/day-by-day-how-jd-vance-tweeted-misinformation-about-springfield/
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"A day or two later, she found fluffy hiding in her basement." I would hide in the basement too if I were owned by that witch.
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At this point, it seems Trump could be cooking and eating babies at the podium during his Maga rallys, and everyone there would still be cheering for him. And law enforcement would do nothing. He really did achieve "God mode" in his life. :-(