Judge says US Treasury ‘more vulnerable to hacking’ since Trump let the DOGE out
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2025/02/10/doge_infosec_impact_court_order/
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Judge Engelmayer used that phrase in an [1]order [PDF] filed in Feb 8 in the case of State of New York Et Al vs Trump Et Al, which saw 19 State attorneys’ general argue that allowing the Elon-Musk led Department of Government Efficiency to access systems and data at the Bureau of Fiscal Services (BFS) broke at least one law and violates the US Constitution, among other legal errors.
A related lawsuit has already seen another judge [2]order that just two special government employees who it’s thought are DOGE operatives be allowed to access BFS systems and data.
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The Engelmayer order requires any “special government employees” who have accessed BFS data since January 20th to “immediately destroy any and all copies of material downloaded from the Treasury Department’s records and systems.”
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The order also requires that the administration is not allowed to grant access to Treasury Department data that contains personally identifiable information and/or confidential financial information of payees, unless the people who get permission are “civil servants with a need for access to perform their job duties within the Bureau of Fiscal Services” and have passed all background checks and completed infosec training as required by federal laws and departmental regulations.
The judge thinks that’s appropriate because, in his view, “the new policy presents of the disclosure of sensitive and confidential information and the heightened risk that the systems in question will be more vulnerable than before to hacking.” The Order doesn’t explain what information informed that view.
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A hearing on February 14th will consider next steps in the matter.
Elon Musk appears to have referred to Engelmayer in a [7]Xeet that reads “A corrupt judge protecting corruption. He needs to be impeached NOW!” He offered no evidence of corruption.
He did, however, [8]claim that DOGE and Treasury have agreed on a new requirement that will see “… all outgoing government payments have a payment categorization code, which is necessary in order to pass financial audits”. Musk also claimed that Treasury has agreed that the comments fields in data describing US government payments will now always be used, and that Do-Not-pay lists “must actually be implemented and not ignored.”
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Musk’s X handle now describes him as “White House tech support” and his concern for database fields suggests he’s getting his hands dirty!
What has DOGE been up to? Over the weekend, the home page of the US Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CBFP) started to produce a 404: Page Not Found error - the seeming result of a [10]reported decision to shut down the agency for at least a week. The Bureau’s activities include advice on how to avoid phishing and identity theft.
The Wall Street Journal earlier [11]reported that DOGE had turned its attention to the Bureau. Musk [12]Xeeted “CFBP RIP” on Saturday.
Last week, we also saw reports that DOGE, with the White House's blessing, accessing highly sensitive systems, some involving personal data and classified materials, at the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the General Services Administration, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and the Dept of Education, at least.
This has included, [13]it's said , analyzing sensitive Dept of Education data with AI tools in Microsoft's Azure cloud. All with the stated intention of rooting out inefficiencies and things to cut, aka stuff Musk doesn't find appropriate.
So far it's [14]reported those working on behalf of DOGE include Akash Bobba, Edward Coristine, Luke Farritor, Gautier Cole Killian, Gavin Kliger, and Ethan Shaotran, as well as Krause and until now Elez. Musk allies Anthony Armstrong, Riccardo Biasini, Brian Bjelde, Steve Davis, Stephen Ehikian, Nicole Hollander, Amanda Scales, Thomas Shedd, and Christopher Stanley have also been installed in Washington, it's understood.
Meanwhile, Republicans are [15]blocking Democrats' attempts to subpoena Musk over his DOGE campaign. Ted Carstensen, the deputy administrator of the United States Digital Service that was renamed to DOGE and commandeered by Musk, has [16]resigned and not taken an OPM-offered severance deal. NASA staff were also [17]reportedly told to delete indigenous people, women in leadership, and others, from public websites, as part of Trump's anti-DEI executive order.
[18]Does DOGE have what it takes to actually tackle billions in US govt IT spending?
[19]DOGE geek with Treasury payment system access now quits amid racist tweet claims
[20]Federal judge tightens DOGE leash over critical Treasury payment system access
[21]Democrats demand to know WTF is up with that DOGE server on OPM's network ®
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[1] https://regmedia.co.uk/2025/02/10/ny_dotgov_york_vs_trump.pdf
[2] https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/06/federal_court_leashes_doges_tresury_access/
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[7] https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1888485948121366871
[8] https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1888314848477376744
[9] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/publicsector&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33Z6ncU4p0bT2mC0zlRIcVngAAAEc&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0
[10] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/09/us/russell-vought-consumer-bureau-protect-hq-close.html?searchResultPosition=7
[11] https://www.wsj.com/finance/regulation/russell-vought-taking-over-as-new-acting-head-of-cfpb-9650d338
[12] https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1887979940269666769
[13] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/02/06/elon-musk-doge-ai-department-education/
[14] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/musk-doge-techies-young-what-we-know-1235256687/
[15] https://newrepublic.com/post/191182/house-oversight-republicans-block-democrats-subpoena-elon-musk
[16] https://www.theverge.com/policy/607605/usds-doge-head-resigns-fork-in-the-road
[17] https://www.404media.co/nasa-dei-drop-everything-executive-order/
[18] https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/08/doge_us_goverment_tech_spending/
[19] https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/07/doge_staffer_twitter/
[20] https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/06/federal_court_leashes_doges_tresury_access/
[21] https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/06/democrats_opm_server/
[22] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
How about rooting out all that corruption at SpaceX?
https://www.reuters.com/technology/injury-rates-musks-spacex-exceed-industry-average-second-year-2024-04-22/
https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/23/spacex_injury_rates/
Re: How about rooting out all that corruption at SpaceX?
Just wait, you can guarantee that the FAA, SEC, EPA, and various other government departments looking at worker rights, health and safety, and anything else that might get in the way of Lord Musk's businesses, will be next on the list for having their funding removed...
I'm somewhat surprised he hasnt gone after them already, but I suppose he's waiting for the American people to grow bored with the various cost cutting, and so they wont be pay any attention when he starts going after his personal bugbears...
Re: How about rooting out all that corruption at SpaceX?
Meanwhile, across in Tesla, that "bug" where the Model 3's AI4.1 motherboard [1]half fries itself so most of the safety features stop working still hasn't been reported to NIST and Tesla is pretending everything's fine when customers complain, so I'm sure he'll take due care and attention with Federal government data.
[1] https://electrek.co/2024/12/16/tesla-major-issue-self-driving-computer-inside-new-cars/
What constitution
So when will Trump follow Putin and campaign to change the constitution so he does not have to step down in 4 years time?
Re: What constitution
Proposals [1]already made .
[1] https://ogles.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-ogles-proposes-amending-22nd-amendment-allow-trump-serve-third-term
Re: What constitution
Changing the constitution is difficult. Much simpler to back-door the treasury and install [1]someone about as bad as Musk at [2]OMB . Anyone with the authority to kick out an ex-president can be de-funded and have their record of employment with the US government expunged and replaced by a Trump supporter. Extra road blocks can be introduced by blocking future elections so there is no replacement candidate. Tax records can be falsified so opposition candidates will be found guilty of tax fraud. The current strategy to to break laws so rapidly that no-one can keep up. It is the [3]published strategy to limit bad news.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Vought
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Management_and_Budget
[3] https://www.npr.org/2025/02/07/nx-s1-5289315/trump-week-in-review
Re: What constitution
Even Putin didn't serve 3 terms straight up, he found a willing lackey in Medvedev. Trump could do similar because his endorsement may be worth a lot in 2028 (depending how the next few years go). He'd just need to find someone he held enough power over to keep them in line.
I think his bigger problem will be being an old senile cunt 82. That didn't go well for Biden.
More vulnerable to hacking
The systems have already been hacked, in full public view.
But how could this happen?
I thought Elon coded twitter X himself. At least, all his (p)sycophants said so.
Aye...
It's one thing scripting an access to AD (for example) stuffing an IIS box (for example) onto the network and sending spam to the workers and it's another thing hardening it all.
Then there's probably the eejit who copied all the data to a db on his/her laptop and took it home to play with.
Re: Aye...
Only one part of the treasury's IT system needed hardening: [1]Marko Elez had write access to the code. His obvious first step would be to add hardened back doors for remote access by anyone at DOGE.
[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93q625y04wo
Re: Aye...
I'd guess they also have a source code repo and it's so easy for changes to be accidentality lost in a merge.
But we know, of course...
...that however hard that judge slams the stable door, the horse has not only bolted but flipped the bird to the law on its way out. That data is now irrevocably in the hands of Musk and his sturmtruppen.
Re: But we know, of course...
And whoever hacks them can also get a copy, which was the judge's point I think.
Re: But we know, of course...
And whoever pays them can also get a copy. Right?
Apparently it's not the role of judges
to decide what is or is not illegal. It's now POTUS
or so J.D.Vance is tweeting.
If Americans allow this (and despite all that guff about the second amendment, they seem rather placid) then the coup is complete.
The only joy will be watching SCOTUS dismissed as an irrelevance. They greased the way.
Yeah right, of course Musk's stormtroopers will destroy all that juicy data.