that if you don't like what you see or hear, ignore it.

But, I guess there's got to be something done and a bucket load of legislation is ALWAYS the way to get it sorted out.

Carrot and Stick or the Code of Conduct will be pointless methinks.

@Guy de Loimbard

"that if you don't like what you see or hear, ignore it."

That would assume the capacity for self control and being an adult. Look at how many are upset they wont be told what is the truth by the government on social media!

But I am with you on that

I totally agree with you there.

Self-control and being an adult. Add in common sense, and you have the perfect storm of what is lacking in adults today.

.... but being told what "is right" by Musk, Robinson, Trump, and the stream of online right wing grifters is ok, right?

It's obvious what you are replying, but the deranged truth denying conspiracy theory nutjobs are firmly part of your camp.

@AC

".... but being told what "is right" by Musk, Robinson, Trump, and the stream of online right wing grifters is ok, right?"

People can have opinions. However when the government decides it dictates the truth and enforces that even onto social media then no. Do you trust Musk, Robinson or Trump? No. Should you have some faith in your government? If you think yes then why do you want them acting like the people you mention?

"It's obvious what you are replying, but the deranged truth denying conspiracy theory nutjobs are firmly part of your camp."

>Biden laptop

>covid origins

>covid vaccine information

Just a few 'conspiracies' that turned out to be the truth.

The problem with hate speech is it can get some folks riled up into violence. You've only got to look at the raging hatred against immigrants after that psycho teen murdered those three girls in Stockport. Someone claimed (incorrectly) that he was an immigrant and all hell broke loose.

If you take a look at the information now released because of the guilty plea it's quite clear that the posts that stoked up the riots were not the primary problem. That was someone just on his own working himself up on everything from Gengis Khan to Jihad via Hitler - political labels don't really apply in such cases.

I think you misunderstood me, I was referring to the subsequent violence by the mobs. One guy was even stopping cars looking for non-whites to attack. The guy who did the murders was a loon and probably a psychopath who indeed got himself all worked up. The issue I was raising was hate speech aimed against a particular group, blaming them for specific issues or problems in society in general. There will always be some folks who want to take that to the next level, violence.

And I'd prefer that liars all fuck off and die.

But as USA has just demonstrated they are more than willing to believe lies and promote liars into power. then I suppose this is the best we have so far to deal with nazi saluting twats at this point in time.

He wasn't performing a Nazi salute.

He was just signalling which way he was going. He wants to take the fourth reich.

To your downvoters --- woosh ---

It will let us know who you are.

putin, probably.

What exactly is hate speech and who gets to define it? Apparently, it's anything the government (Ministry of Truth) designates lies outside the boundaries of acceptable language (Newspeak) at any given moment.

Kind of where I think things are getting blurred too. Hate speech is hard to define at a very granular level.

That said, we had an entire area up in arms due to the messaging on social media in the UK and next thing we've got riots and violence and a lot of things out of control.

I'm not sure hate speech legislation is going to change the way people think in a hurry.

It's a minefield and I'm not sure what the answer is.

going back to punching nazi's rather than putting them in power might fucking help!

Well, most of the rioting associated with that particular hate speech (and a lot of it generally) was fuelled by objectively provable lies, so clamping down on that aspect would be a good start, IMHO

if you could give us your race and full name and address, we can give you an example.........I can guarantee you really won't like it

I beg to differ.

If you advocate for violence against or the death of any specific group of people, you are using hate speech.

I can despise you and I have the right to say that (that is not, btw, the case). I cannot say that I want you hurt or dead.

Just like you can't yell "FIRE" in a theatre.

There are limits to free speech.

The problem is folks don't know right from wrong anymore, and most haven't been around long enough to be taught how fascism works to enslave a population. When you combine it with the power of misinformation, and the pervasive need by the "me" generation to be a part of group think.... It's easy to persuade, and incite a group against a target. People feel the need to be a part of something, but are not considering what that something is exactly.

Indeed, you just need to look at the ones with the dyed hair losing their shit over something someone said and then marching in the street smashing up cars and buildings demanding that their feelings are protected from the hurty words. They strive to find a purpose to their lives by desperately following the hive mind and the latest fads to try and gain some recognition. And negative comment made about the hive mind is taken as a direct attack on them personally.

X said the not-for-profit campaign group's research only followed major brands and racist trolls in an effort to stack the deck for its purposes.

What, they're supposed to only follow tiny brands that only advertise next to people who only post kitten pics? The point isn't whether they went looking for it or not, the point is that they found it.

Looks like Musk is going to have to re-hire some moderators.

Is he going to have the time, given his new responsibilities in the US Government ?