Debian 12.9 arrives, quickly followed by MX Linux 23.5
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2025/01/16/debian_12_9_mx_12_5/
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Although MX Linux is based on Debian, it is significantly different – for instance, it contains the new Xfce 4.20 desktop, which appeared in late December.
This is only the eighth point-release of Debian 12 because [1]version 12.3 was canceled . The [2]version 12.9 release notes list 72 bugfixes and 38 vulnerabilities that have been resolved. As ever, though, because this is a stable release, it contains the same versions of its component packages.
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Debian 12 "Bookworm" [4]appeared about 18 months ago , which means it's now about three-quarters of the way through its lifecycle. The next version, codenamed " [5]Trixie ," is expected around the middle of this year. If you're hoping for things like new versions of your preferred desktop, you'll need to wait for Debian 13, probably out in mid-June.
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This old-components issue is one of the selling points that pushes people towards downstream Debian meta-distributions. (Ubuntu is by far the biggest of these, to the extent that it has lots of downstreams of its own.) In forums and groups all around the internet, The Reg FOSS desk notes growing dissatisfaction with Ubuntu, especially the way that successive Ubuntu releases are replacing more and more components with snap-packaged versions. In our experience, snap works very well in recent releases, and we prefer its simple, understandable design to the Lovecraftian horrors that Flatpak conceals, but Flathub is FOSS and the Snap store isn't, and that's enough for many people.
Some unhappy Ubuntu users move to Debian, or if they dislike the infamous systemd as well, to Devuan. Both of those eliminate snaps – but Debian's very slow-moving release cycle can come as an unpleasant shock, and that applies equally to Devuan.
[8]Absolute Linux has reached the end – where to next?
[9]Adélie Linux 1.0 – small, fast, but not quite grown up
[10]Fedora Asahi Remix 41 for Apple Macs is out
[11]Xfce 4.20 is out: Wayland support lands, but some pieces are still missing
[12]MX Linux is a pretty good answer to this issue. It's based on a Debian core, but although it inherits much, it also makes deep changes. We were [13]very impressed by MX Linux 23 . It comes with lots of graphical administration and system-tweaking tools, such as for installing binary drivers and choosing your preferred kernel version. It doesn't use systemd as its init system, but for enhanced compatibility, the developers chose not to completely eliminate it. (We note that it has now joined the list on [14]No systemd .) You can even choose to boot your PC using systemd to install something that checks for it – or to remove that package again afterward.
For desktop use, we find MX Linux to be more polished and less work than either Devuan or Debian, and the Raspberry Pi edition works pretty well too. [15]MX Linux 23.5 followed just a couple of days after Debian 12.9 on January 13, and contains all the updates from upstream. It also adds its own fresher components – for instance, its default desktop environment is now the latest [16]Xfce 4.20 . There's also a special "Advanced Hardware Support" edition, which is x86-64 only and based on the [17]Liquorix alternative kernel – currently on version 6.12-11.
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If you're running either Debian or MX Linux already, the next time you update, you will receive the new versions automatically and fresh installation media is available for both. ®
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[1] https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/12/kernel_6_1_ext4_corruption/
[2] https://www.debian.org/News/2025/20250111
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[4] https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/05/debian_12/
[5] https://www.debian.org/releases/trixie/
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[8] https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/the_end_of_absolute_linux/
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/20/adelie_linux_1_beta_6/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/20/fedora_asahi_41_out/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/18/xfce_420_is_out/
[12] https://mxlinux.org/
[13] https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/03/mx_linux_23/
[14] https://nosystemd.org/
[15] https://mxlinux.org/blog/mx-23-5-now-available/
[16] https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/18/xfce_420_is_out/
[17] https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/25/friday_foss_fest_liquorix_kernel/
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[19] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
Re: Saner Ubuntu?
"The server is now also Mint + Mate "
Why not just Mint?
So MX, when do we get a KDE version that isn't an antique?
timeshift
snaps appear to slow down my timeshift backups
Re: timeshift
I'm old, and probably inflexible; what was wrong with apt? Caveat: I avoid Canonical.
Re: timeshift
apt?
Pfft. Build from source bro!
Did no know MX was available on Pi
Moved to MX linux to avoid systemd crap about a year ago. Not disappointed. Was disappointed that Raspberry Pi still uses systemd. That MX Linux is on raspberry has make my day. I hope I can use the RPi imager prog to allow easy setup for headless Pis .
MX Linux
Big fan of MX Linux, use the 32-bit version on my Vaio P sub-notebook.
Re: MX Linux
Likewise, a big fan. Running it on a daily driver 2015 HP Elitebook for over six months now, still really happy with the way it performs to the extent they even got a donation from me.
Also pretty impressed with how lightweight the Fluxbox version is, it works rather well on a elderly dual core Celeron Intel NUC.
Saner Ubuntu?
I moved from RH (Late 1990s) to Debian (2002), then Ubuntu (2006). But more than a decade ago moved to Mint + Mate desktop as a mostly sane/stable system. Finally ditched windows for regular desktop use in 2017. Ditched Windows Server about 2009, had been running 2nd server with Debian some years previously. The server is now also Mint + Mate so as to only have one distro to think about.