Bluesky keeps growing, and so do its problems
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According to a [1]stat page developed by Bluesky backend dev Eric Volpert, the site is nearing 24 million users as of writing, up from [2]13 million in late October. For reference, Bluesky had around three million users when it opened to the public in February.
The surge in users is supported by data [3]published last month by Similarweb, which noted what it described as a "dramatic uptick" in users on the platform in November. Along with a sharp spike in user growth, Similarweb also said that Bluesky has surpassed Meta's Threads in daily web-based visits in the US and UK, though Threads remains ahead globally.
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While Bluesky still hasn't reached the self-professed levels of Threads (whose chief Adam Mosseri [5]said had 275 million monthly active users last month), the Bluesky team did claim over the US Thanksgiving break that engagement on the platform had already surpassed that of Threads and Twitter (now X) in specific instances, particularly in terms of interactions with certain publications. Users have [6]reportedly fled X since owner Elon Musk leaned hard into politicizing the app.
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"We could go on about how we welcome publishers, we don't demote links, we encourage independent developers to build apps and extensions on top of Bluesky's network," the platform [9]said in a November 29 blog post. "But instead, we'll show you."
Citing Bluesky posts from engagement team members at the Boston Globe and The Guardian, engagement numbers on articles were several times over what they see with Threads. Another poster indicated that, despite The New York Times having 55.2 million followers on X and only 679,300 on Bluesky, engagement on the latter was significantly higher.
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Matias Capeletto, a developer on the Vite front-end web development tool team, [11]noted that "we have 6% of the followers here compared to the 100k in X," but an announcement of the 6.0 release of Vite was quickly closing in on the number of engagements despite the smaller follower count.
"Most of the comments and quotes from OSS maintainers happened [on Bluesky]," Capaletto said. "I don't know about other communities, but OSS web dev is a Bluesky game now."
Mo' users, mo' problems
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Take a look at Bluesky's [13]custom feed of posts from its team, and you'll notice pretty quickly that it's not all cloudless sunshine and rainbows.
Along with reporting a bunch of anecdotal engagement claims on Thanksgiving day, the Bluesky safety team also posted a [14]thread about its impersonation policy in the wake of a November 27 Substack post from Alexios Mantzarlis, the director of Cornell Tech's Security, Trust, and Safety Initiative, that found [15]44 percent of the top 100 most-followed BlueSky accounts had doppelgängers on the platform.
"Most are cheap knock-offs of the bigger account, down to the same bio and profile picture," Mantzarlis said. "Only 16% of the duplicates that I reviewed had an 'impersonation' label."
In response, Bluesky noted it was "working behind the scenes to help many organizations and high-profile individuals set up their verified domain handles," while also updating its impersonation policy to be more aggressive.
The platform also claimed to have quadrupled the size of its moderation team, though it's not clear how large the team was before and Bluesky didn't immediately respond to questions for this story.
[16]Twitter spinout Bluesky ends invite-only phase and opens its doors to all comers
[17]Elon's latest X-periment: Blocked users can still stalk your public tweets
[18]Musk seeks injunction to stop OpenAI morphing into for-profit company
[19]All bark, no bite? Musk's DOGE unlikely to have any real power
Along with those changes, Bluesky said all "parody, satire or fan accounts … must clearly label themselves in both the display name and bio," with noncompliant accounts getting an impersonation label, though presumably only if someone reports the account.
Bluesky said it's looking into "additional options to enhance account verification," but didn't share specifics.
Along with impersonation, the surge has also led to a predictable rise in harmful content that Bluesky [20]said it's trying to combat by making "some short-term moderation choices to prioritize recall over precision."
"This resulted in over-enforcement and temporary suspensions for multiple users," the Bluesky safety team said. "We have reinstated accounts of some users, and are continuing to review appeals." The platform hopes its expanded moderation team will help improve the precision of its moderation actions, but such delays and the [21]use of AI to moderate content are likely to continue if user growth doesn't slow down.
Speaking of AI, Bluesky also [22]reiterated last week that it "will not train generative AI on user data," but admitted it can do little to control such actions by third parties scraping Bluesky for user content.
"Websites can specify whether they consent to outside companies crawling their data with a robots.txt file, and we're investigating a similar practice here," Bluesky said in last week's post. "This might look like a setting that allows Bluesky users to specify whether they consent to outside developers using their content … [but] it will be up to outside developers to respect these settings."
Outside of issues with moderation, impersonation, and AI scraping worries, the company is also facing legal challenges in the European Union, as The Register recently [23]reported .
While not large enough to be considered a "Very Large Online Platform" under the EU Digital Services Act, the European Commission is already concerned that it is falling short of compliance with rules for smaller platforms by not properly reporting user numbers. Bluesky told us it's working to get compliant, but the problem indicates a trend: Bluesky is growing faster than its leadership probably expected.
That's not a bad thing, necessarily, but expect more bumps in the road as the sky gets more crowded. ®
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[1] https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
[2] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/28/bluesky_capitalizes_on_x_woes/
[3] https://www.similarweb.com/blog/insights/social-media-news/bluesky-sustained-growth/
[4] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2Z048D_9jyF4FcyWCI7UcDgAAAEQ&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0
[5] https://www.threads.net/@mosseri/post/DB6zNlQSsJN?xmt=AQGzOBo-JlbZvb0-easrlJcfCpgs93qY-Wmfjt2uJqLFCw
[6] https://apnews.com/article/bluesky-x-twitter-dcc4f92f9d0386dbacc3f30376b38dbc
[7] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44Z048D_9jyF4FcyWCI7UcDgAAAEQ&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0
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[9] https://bsky.social/about/blog/11-29-2024-engagement
[10] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44Z048D_9jyF4FcyWCI7UcDgAAAEQ&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0
[11] https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:2gkh62xvzokhlf6li4ol3b3d/post/3lbwwdqztic2s?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fbsky.social%252Fabout%252Fblog%252F11-29-2024-engagement
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[13] https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/feed/bsky-team
[14] https://bsky.app/profile/safety.bsky.app/post/3lc4h7p676225
[15] https://fakedup.substack.com/p/blueskys-doppelganger-problem-world-war-3-economist-instagram-cozy-ai-slop
[16] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/06/bluesky_social_media_opens/
[17] https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/24/x_block_changes/
[18] https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/02/musk_openai_injunction/
[19] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/14/all_bark_no_bite_musks/
[20] https://bsky.app/profile/safety.bsky.app/post/3lbsqm7kfns23
[21] https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3layuzbtpys2x
[22] https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3lbvgvbvcf22c
[23] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/26/bluesky_eu_regulation/
[24] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
Sounds like somebody wanted to yell at normal people like they used to do on Twitter and keeps getting blocked on Bluesky.
The idea of an "echo chamber" is weird rhetorical nonsense typically used by the worst possible people. If you're chatting with your friends in the pub and some rando none of you have ever met in your lives starts yelling at you all about how cows are a conspiracy you tell them to piss off. The fact that Bluesky allows you to do that (and to create lists of annoying people so you never have to see them in the first place) is one of the things that makes it a vast improvement over Twitter.
Every time somebody whinges about an echo chamber, you can guarantee they're the weird annoying guy who wants to shout over everybody's normal conversations about how cows are a conspiracy.
Twitter was hidding posts from people I follow and was pushing more toxic content. I was spendig less time reading on there. Bluesky is a much nicer place and I read more there than I ever did on Twitter.
Adding to the other better replies, note that your Bluesky interaction is what you make it - not what Musks insecurity dictates.
Those who want to debate with other opinions will do so, and you'll find that in the majority of cases, that will be their desire, or at least, not something they'll avoid.
However, if you're a crazy angry zealot, unable of rational debate, then expect to be blocked much more efficiently, making it *look* like an echo chamber to you.
Sucks for you, I guess.
Enjoy BlueSky while we can.
I left the toxic hell of X back in 2018. I joined BlueSky in the big November rush.
I've been enjoying it for following people like Paul Krugman (Nobel laureate economist) without the trolls.
However, I'm well aware that this is only temporary, and I'll bail when (rather than if) it degenerates.
So I do not consider it an echo chamber, at least not yet, while the trolls are few in numbers.
Re: Enjoy BlueSky while we can.
Like one of those quaint, picturesque towns before all the other tourists discover it.
Re: Enjoy BlueSky while we can.
Like one of those quaint, picturesque towns before all the other tourists discover it.
Ah, nostalgia. So Blueski was heavily patterned on the Twitter that was..
"This resulted in over-enforcement and temporary suspensions for multiple users," the Bluesky safety team said
.. and always will be. Didn't Dorsey learn anything?
Bluesky seems halfway decent... for the moment
I've had an account on Bluesky for a few months to see what is new in the worlds of science and astronomy. Not had additional crap stuffed into the feed.
When I tried X some months ago, I also selected science and astronomy as my interests but got a feed with 95% unwanted and irrelevant crap, posts from Musk, tons on American politics, people spewing hate about various other people, crazy conspiracy theories, TV soaps, so called celebrities and endless American sport none of which I have any interest in and bizarrely a whole load of posts by a group of people in Nigeria discussing what they were cooking for evening meal. I deleted my X account less than 24 hours after creating it. It was a just a fire-hose of unfiltered sewage.
Re: Bluesky seems halfway decent... for the moment
In my experience , the Twitter/X "For You" feed cycles through various states of craziness, from being actually based on my interaction to whatever Elon likes to totally random. Seriously, there was a period where it was all weather chasing people. Yeah, I saw Twister when it first came out, but WTF?
Of course it's getting worse, and it will worsen further
It's a similar model to Twitter, lots of money provided by dodgy VC firms that will want their pound of flesh in 3-5 years. tick tock.
It's staggeringly obvious the general public want an easy to use service driven by one large company with no subscription cost. Moderation, ethics, and content are all Someone Else's Problem. You can take that attitude, but the money and effort has to come from somewhere.
It'll be fine. For three years. Then the VCs will extract money, it'll go public, fall apart, and the public will move on to the next platform. CIX. Myspace. Livejournal. Facebook. Increasingly Twitter. All largely in the past after they lost critical mass.
Heaven forfend everyone could donate towards Mastodon and work out the issues with that. Nope, we all have to use corporate services where third party clients aren't permitted under threat of your account being banned (Discord. Otherwise how could they sell pointless graphical stuff for your chat?) or the APIs being withdrawn (Twitter, Facebook. Both were far more open in the beginning, and then they were restricted)
I will not be opening a Bluesky account due to the prevelance of CSA material and other adjacent advocates and content.
Personally I've found Twitter to have become a much nicer place to wander around of late. I attribute this to all the most tedious individuals whose content motivates one to go "oh I do wish they would f**k off" having quite literally f**cked off. Leaving the way clear for the normal people to take back over.
I've seen no evidence of anyone politicising the platform. But then I generally don't hang around in political spaces.
If you didn't post anon Elon, you could use the troll icon.
Bluesky is the worst sort of echo chamber.