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All bark, no bite? Musk's DOGE unlikely to have any real power

(2024/11/14)


Comment Well, it's official(ish): US president-elect Donald Trump has made good on a campaign promise to appoint Elon Musk to the head of "the Department of Government Efficiency" – or DOGE.

No, [1]we're not joking . Doge, as in Dogecoin, the meme cryptocurrency [2]championed by the SpaceX supremo. We even [3]warned about the possibility of such a move back in September when Musk and Trump's cozy relationship first started to [4]bubble up to the surface of the campaign.

Who'd have thought the world's richest man, whose business empire relies on American government contracts and clashes with American regulators, would be interested in helping Donald oversee the running of American government organizations and their spending? It's wild how they came to be such good friends.

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With yesterday's announcement, Trump made it somewhat official that Musk will co-chair of DOGE with former biotech CEO-cum-Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy to "dismantle government bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure federal agencies."

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As with many things in the world of politics and government bureaucracy, however, that's easier said than done. With Republicans holding a majority in the Senate and projected to gain control of the House, Trump has a stronger foundation to push for sweeping restructures of the federal government. However, significant changes would still face hurdles – this DOGE could easily end up being much bark and not much bite.

First things first: It probably won't be a real department

Creating a new government department isn't something that can just be done willy-nilly, nor can it be done by the president – that's an authority [8]constitutionally placed in the hands of Congress. Yes, it's a Congress pretty much in Republican control but, still, Congress needs to act.

Trump's statement yesterday about Musk and Ramaswamy's appointments to jointly head DOGE seemed to acknowledge that – at least tacitly – when he explained DOGE would "provide advice and guidance from outside of government" in partnership with the White House and the Office of Management and Budget – not as an official arm of the Feds.

That makes DOGE more likely to be a commission in everything but name, leaving it with little real authority to do anything besides make suggestions. Yes, suggestions into the ear of the president, but that's not the same as an actual executive department.

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In other words, don't expect Musk and Ramaswamy to easily "drive out the massive waste and fraud which exists throughout our annual $6.5 trillion of government spending," as Trump suggested in his statement. The reality is that DOGE will probably be nothing but an independent advisory committee, according to co-president Robert Weissman, of advocacy group and think tank Public Citizen.

"They can make recommendations," Weissman told The Register , but whether "Trump could unilaterally act on those recommendations is going to vary based on what they are."

Undoing rules put in place by the Biden administration is perfectly within Trump's executive authority, Weissman explained. Doing [10]away with the Department of Education, on the other hand, will still need Congressional approval.

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Ultimately, for the level of changes Trump is suggesting DOGE could recommend, "the line of accountability runs through Congress," Weissman assured.

Speaking of Congress …

Trump could theoretically propose changes across the executive branch based on DOGE's recommendations – but he would need legislation granting him presidential reorganization authority.

First granted by Congress in 1939, presidential reorganization authority gives the president the right to overhaul executive departments in order to reconfigure them for efficiency and economy with minimal oversight.

Under the rule, which has been [12]used only 16 times by nine presidents, reorganization plans submitted to Congress have to be explicitly denied by both the House and Senate within 60 days of submission, or else they automatically enter into force.

There are limits to what the president can do with such authority, however, which make it unlikely Trump could use it to abolish agencies or implement all the suggestions that come from Musk and Ramaswamy.

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[14]Top 10 billionaires make nearly $64B in post-Trump election stock surge

[15]The billionaire behind Trump's 'unhackable' phone is on a mission to fight Tesla's FSD

[16]Continuity of CHIPS and Science Act questioned in a Trump presidency

According to a 2008 Congressional research [17]report [PDF] on presidential directives, reorganization plans can't abolish or create entire departments, must deal with just "one logically consistent subject matter," only one can be submitted every 30 days, and all proposals must include "a clear statement on the projected economic savings expected to result."

Last used by 40th president Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, additional amendments to the president's reorganization authority that made it easier to get proposals through Congress expired in 1984 and haven't been renewed.

Again, with potentially both arms of Congress under Republican control, it's distinctly possible Trump could get new rules pushed through that add to his reorganization authority. But the majority in the Senate is slim enough that it's not a sure thing.

"Most of these things are subject to filibuster," Weissman noted, as Republicans only have 53 seats in the Senate – seven short of a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority.

It'll also be hard to mess with independent agencies

Musk's, er, [18]understanding of [19]efficiency aside, his role as the co-chair of DOGE would seemingly put him in a position to attack the same government agencies that have tried to hold him accountable over the years.

Presidential reorganization authority is limited only to executive branch departments. But that still means DOGE could suggest changes at the [20]National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (a subsidiary of the executive branch's Department of Transportation), which regulates Musk's automaker Tesla; the [21]Department of Justice ; or at [22]NASA , which is independent but still subject to executive oversight and works with the tycoon's SpaceX.

Proposing changes at the [23]FCC , which oversees SpaceX's Starlink; [24]FTC ; or [25]SEC , which has sanctioned Elon in the past, on the other hand, would be nothing but a wish list. Those bodies are among the long list of US federal agencies that operate independently of the executive branch – which probably won't stop him from trying.

"Musk not only knows nothing about government efficiency and regulation, his own businesses have regularly run afoul of the very rules he will be in position to attack in his new 'czar' position," Lisa Gilbert, Weissman's co-president at Public Citizen, asserted in a [26]statement yesterday after the creation of DOGE was announced.

"I'm skeptical that this pretend department is going to be a real force for destruction," Weissman added. "But I do think [the Trump administration] intends to move forward in the areas they're alluding to, firing government employees and gutting regulation."

Just don't expect it, in all likelihood, to come from the DOGE. ®

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[1] https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1856658569124262092/photo/1

[2] https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/02/elon_musk_dogecoin_insider_trading/

[3] https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/06/musk_government_efficiency_trump/

[4] https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/marsh-gas

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[8] https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/section-2/clause-2/creation-of-federal-offices

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[10] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dismantling-department-education-trumps-plan-schools-term/story?id=115579646

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[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_reorganization_authority

[13] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/01/us_trump_tariff/

[14] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/07/top_10_billionaires/

[15] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/21/odowd_tesla_trump/

[16] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/11/asia_in_brief_nov_11/

[17] https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/98-611.pdf

[18] https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/02/musk_first_year_twitter/

[19] https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/20/x_corp_wiwynn_lawsuit_unpaid_bills/

[20] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/18/tesla_fsd_lowvisibility_accident/

[21] https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/23/telsa_doj_investigation/

[22] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/12/trump_space_program/

[23] https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/12/starlink_satellite_dominance_fcc/

[24] https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/11/twitter_musk_week/

[25] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/12/musk_sec_twitter_fraud/

[26] https://www.citizen.org/news/trump-naming-elon-musk-as-czar-of-government-efficiency-is-the-ultimate-corruption/

[27] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



DOdGEy DOdGEy ...

cyberdemon

Deus Ex predicted it all..

https://youtube.com/watch?v=W19l_Xv4wY8

> Need I remind you that in the event of a national emergency, FEMA DOGE has a list of 6 million Americans who will be transported to detention centres? Your tabloids call it R[E]X-84...

< Yeah, including the President, Congress, and the Supreme Court...

> In my position, I find it very easy to add names to that list..

There IS NO MORE CONGRESS

Omnipresent

There is no more law. There are no more free elections. There are no more checks and balances. America is gone. Maga cult has all three branches and all consuming power, due to the maga cult supreme court. There is NO MORE AMERICA. It's gone. Putin told him to put is oligarchs in charge, and he has.

He has installed a child rapist as the AG, a career cultists conspiracy leader as the head of the supreme court, a news corp talking head as the head of the military, and what ever bat shit crazy animal gabbard is in charge of national security, reporting directly to putang himself. FRUMPY PANTS is an all powerful emperor, having his strings pulled by putin. He can do what ever he wants... literally. He has already stated he is going to get rid of the department of education, and use the national guard to round up decenters. America is extinct right now. Russia pulled off a coup.

Let this be a warning to the rest of the world. Technology is being weaponized against you, and it has terrible consequences. What you see and hear on the internet is NOT REAL. Moving to a new "social site" will not save you. Nothing will. Dig in, because the future is going to very bad.

Re: There IS NO MORE CONGRESS

AVR

He hasn't done any of that yet. The appointments need to be confirmed by the Senate, or the Senate needs to stand aside and allow Trump to make 'recess appointments'. The Senate has been protective of its powers in the past even with a president from the same party. Gaetz at least is heading for a long confirmation process.

Re: There IS NO MORE CONGRESS

Omnipresent

He has both the senate and the house.. try again.

You seem to forget that the supreme court told him he can do what ever he wants as president in an official capacity.

He's a convicted thug felon, who's been compromised by putin, and this was a direct attack on freedom by russia. America is GONE.

Re: There IS NO MORE CONGRESS

Omnipresent

...and if you think pootin is going let frump survive... LOL! They are going to crash the economy, sell it off to the highest bidder (russia, saudis, china... whoever), and when there is nothing of value left, pootin will shove him out a window, or blow up his plane and have the next most evil installed. Frump has already hinted he is willing to go beyond two terms.

America 1776 - 2024

Anonymous Coward

You had a good run.

Loved the Apollo era and the cool cars of the 50s and 60s.

Elvis was great too.

Bye

A thin ray of hope

Flocke Kroes

Trump will spend most of the time playing [1]golf and Musk will be playing [2]Diablo 4 .

[1] https://www.todays-golfer.com/news-and-events/general-news/what-is-president-donald-trump-like-at-golf/

[2] https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/elon-musk-says-hes-one-of-the-worlds-top-20-diablo-4-players-still-reckons-he-was-a-quake-all-time-great-even-after-its-actual-best-player-said-he-wasnt-very-good/

if it's anything like his ability to run a car company...

mrcreosote

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/13/tesla-initiates-sixth-cybertruck-recall-in-a-year.html

Re: if it's anything like his ability to run a car company...

Roland6

I suspect it will be more like the ability he demonstrated at Twitter…

Already pulling number from his.....

MachDiamond

$2tn? Not likely.

Elon's post will be advisory only. The last time Donald Trump was President, Elon was asked to be part of a business advisory group that he dropped out of without contributing. I expect he'll make his excuses and bow out once again when he realizes that Congress isn't going to give him any rein. Jealous are those elected to their very lucrative posts. There's also the politician's patrons which are going to have a big problem if their bloated government contracts start going away or there's too much oversight in their opinions from somebody that isn't much of a manager, gets bored easily and takes everybody else's work that are around him as his own.

I highly doubt there is $2tn worth of room in the budget that can be trimmed in only fours year's time. One could, but not without a very pronounced revolt and massive drop in GDP.

Will Elon step down from his roles in private industry to avoid any appearance of self-enrichment while in this post? No? Didn't think so.

Token Gesture

Mitoo Bobsworth

This is Trump effectively flipping Musk the bird - "Thanks for the leg up, here's a piece of candy for you. Now sod off & don't steal my limelight." Only room for one toxic ego at the top.

For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble:
and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust.
-- Sir Thomas More