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Mozilla's Firefox browser turns 20. Does it still matter?

(2024/11/13)


Mozilla's Firefox browser clocked its second decade over the weekend, an event celebrated by Mozilla Corporation CEO Laura Chambers.

"Firefox turns 20 today!" said Chambers in a social media [1]post . "It’s so inspiring to think of all we’ve achieved together to keep the internet open and people-first. Firefox has always been more than just a browser – it’s a movement powered by those who believe in choice, privacy, and transparency. Thank you to our community and everyone who has contributed to this impact, and helped make Firefox what it is today."

The movement – advocacy for choice, privacy, and transparency – continues. But web browsers and the battle for browser market share no longer lead that movement, according to a former Mozilla executive.

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The Register spoke with an individual familiar with Mozilla and other major tech firms at a high level who asked not to be identified for reasons we consider valid. In conjunction with Firefox's 20-year celebration, our source shared some thoughts about Mozilla's once revolutionary browser and its relevance to the current technology landscape.

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"There was a time where the browser space was absolutely the front line of an open, safe, equitable internet," our source said. "Mostly that was about, frankly, preventing Microsoft from taking over the internet."

That worry faded over time, and four years after the [5]1.0 release of Firefox, Google Chrome debuted.

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It was "superior in so many ways and, initially anyway, appealing so deeply to web developers that they were able to grab tons of market share with a better product," our source said.

If you look at browser market share for almost the past ten years, what you see is Microsoft, Google, and Apple essentially ping-ponging a little bit in the margins, and then there's about 10 percent share left over.

So the big three take 90 percent share, give or take a few percentage points between the three of them. But then there's 10 percent for everybody else, and that's been stable for nearly ten years.

In other words, for the past decade, upstart browser makers like Mozilla, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, Arc, and others have essentially been fighting for that 10 percent – the table scraps left by the tech giants. And absent any antitrust ruling that changes the way browsers get distributed and installed – something that looks less likely under the incoming Trump administration – it seems unlikely that the current market dynamics change anytime soon.

"So when you look at what I think is challenging on the web today, there really isn't a fear like, 'oh my goodness, there's someone that's going to like take over core standards or protocols, which was really the fear in the late 90s, early 2000s that all those protocols and de facto standards would tilt toward Microsoft," our source said.

"To me, when I look at the internet, I'm like, 'yeah, okay, that's still an important thing.' Like, we can't take our eye off of it. But it's a little bit of a side show when you think about how AI is being deployed, when you think about how misinformation is being deployed, when you think about how people's attention span is being both monetized and used for ill. To me, those are really the big problems."

Citing concerns about what misinformation can do to democratic elections and its impact on global socioeconomic stability, our source argues that concerns about protocol ownership have become less salient.

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"The problems are about the information that travels on the internet," our source said. "It's not about the protocols that run the internet anymore. … It's not about the plumbing. It's about what's flowing through the plumbing."

[8]The US government wants developers to stop using C and C++

[9]To kill memory safety bugs in C code, try the TrapC fork

[10]Gang of monkeys escape South Carolina biomedical research facility

[11]Intel: Our finances are in the toilet, we're laying off 15K, but the free coffee is back!

Among those who have been around for a while, if not the younger generation, there's still a lingering perception that the tech industry is challenging the establishment. But perhaps now that [12]software has eaten the world , it needs to rest a bit.

"We still have this tendency to think about tech as sort of the upstart disruptor to the status quo in various industries and in various spaces, and socially, we think about tech as a disruptor," our source said. "And one of the things I think we all have to wrap our heads around now is that tech is now the status quo. Tech is now the establishment that we all in this industry once rejected. We're now the establishment."

Pointing to Apple, Google, and Microsoft, and the platform franchises they're trying to protect, our source wondered, "What's the role of products like Firefox? Where does the browser fit when you're talking about Apple's App Store monopoly or Google's advertising business?"

The recently announced [13]layoffs at Mozilla Foundation , following Mozilla Corporation layoffs earlier this year, suggest that the non-profit and its subsidiaries have yet to adjust to the present technology landscape.

But one controversial way the company may move forward is [14]advertising , which could help make the biz less dependent on Google and other search deals. Mozilla believes it can help make the ad ecosystem better by supporting privacy-preserving ads.

Our source in fact endorses the move.

"I think there's a real opportunity for Mozilla, and frankly other companies," our source said, arguing that advertising in many cases can be done effectively without violating privacy.

This ecosystem is screwed up. It's violating people's privacy left and right. If you can come up with a way to do this, one that's ethical and respects privacy and maintains high integrity, to me, that's a great place for Mozilla to be.

Mozilla's exploration of AI, via [15]mozilla.ai , gets more cautious support.

"It's been several years now since they announced Mozilla.ai and there have been various initiatives that they described launching publicly," our source said. "And the place where I hoped that they would play is in making sure that machine learning models were more ethical and more privacy respecting and were deployed for reasons of good."

But, our source said, Mozilla hasn't really delivered anything related to AI that's had much impact.

Asked what tech issue really needs to be addressed, our source pointed to social media.

"I've seen a lot of social media stuff and I think it's a solvable problem," our source said. "I think that the Mastodon and ActivityPub ecosystem comes the closest to solving this problem, which is how do you create – I hate this phrase, but I'm going to use it because it clicks when I say it – like the virtual town square?"

"How do you create this giant pub-sub of information sharing where people can not just get info but tell jokes and be funny and entertain each other?

"The thing that Twitter kind of started to be, but couldn't really grasp the ring for a lot of different reasons, I think this is a solvable problem.

"Basically, a kitten dies every time I see some good-natured entity post on X." ®

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[1] https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chamberslaura_firefox-turns-20-today-its-so-inspiring-activity-7260782133881810945-zkp8/

[2] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2ZzTbOArroCZoV3csRxdMMwAAAIQ&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[3] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZzTbOArroCZoV3csRxdMMwAAAIQ&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[4] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33ZzTbOArroCZoV3csRxdMMwAAAIQ&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[5] https://blog.mozilla.org/press/2004/11/mozilla-foundation-releases-the-highly-anticipated-mozilla-firefox-1-0-web-browser/

[6] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZzTbOArroCZoV3csRxdMMwAAAIQ&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[7] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/applications&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33ZzTbOArroCZoV3csRxdMMwAAAIQ&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/08/the_us_government_wants_developers/

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/12/trapc_memory_safe_fork/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/11/lab_monkeys_south_carolina/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/09/intel_free_coffee/

[12] https://a16z.com/why-software-is-eating-the-world/

[13] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/06/mozilla_foundation_layoffs/

[14] https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/18/mozilla_buys_anonym_betting_privacy/

[15] https://www.mozilla.ai/

[16] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Doctor Syntax

"There was a time where the browser space was absolutely the front line of an open, safe, equitable internet," our source said. "Mostly that was about, frankly, preventing Microsoft from taking over the internet."

That worry faded over time, and four years after the 1.0 release of Firefox, Google Chrome debuted.

So now the worry's about Chrome taking over the internet.

ThatOne

> the worry's about Chrome taking over the internet

I'm afraid it's too late: A decade ago most people believed "Google=Internet", later they settled for "Google+Twitter+Facebook=Internet" (not sure if that was much better).

My point is, controlling content (through search) and the means to deliver ads, Google currently owns the Internet. There are some minor contenders, just there to avoid too obvious a monopoly.

alain williams

So now the worry's about Chrome taking over the internet.

And it will serve its makers best interests, eg by crippling the APIs that allow ad-blockers to work.

I just hope that we do not get many web sites that only work properly with a chromium engine -- which might happen if chromium achieves dominance & lazy web developers only test chrome/edge/... Fortunately we will prolly be saved from that as Apple's Safari uses webkit.

Groo The Wanderer

Of course Firefox matters! You use Firefox on Linux and Edge on Windows to download Google Chrome!

Rewriting history?

ThatOne

> [Chrome 1 was] "superior in so many ways and, initially anyway, appealing so deeply to web developers"

BS! At first Chrome was inferior, but it used stealth tactics to take over peoples' computers* and replace their default browser, so it eventually became the majority browser. And of course developers flock behind majorities.

* for those too young to have seen it: At that time you had to regularly download security patches for major software like Acrobat and Flash. Every time you installed such a patch, unless you clicked on a barely visible link while whistling "The Star-Spangled Banner" in reverse, it also silently installed Chrome, copied your bookmarks to it, and made it your new default browser. Again and again, with every patch. Given Chrome wasn't really branded, most people didn't notice, and those who did assumed the change was normal. This way Chrome rose from 0% to 60% market share in a year. Nothing to do with quality.

Re: Rewriting history?

Ken Hagan

"stealth tactics" my arse. It was malware and quite possibly a criminal offence in some places.

Sadly, the AV vendors didn't have the gumption to call it out at the time.

Firefox is very useful to Google

spuck

It keeps the antitrust wolves at bay.

Re: Firefox is very useful to Google

ThatOne

Soon to become antitrust lapdogs...

Ad industry and privacy won't improve without regulations

user555

The idea that Mozilla, or anyone other than law makers, could move the needle on privacy with ads is a complete dream. The very reason why traditional formats (newspapers/network TV) are all dying is simply because there is a competitive advantage when privacy is violated. It's not a level playing field without regulations to make it level.

those who believe in choice, privacy, and transparency

andy 103

"Firefox has always been more than just a browser – it’s a movement powered by those who believe in choice, privacy, and transparency. "

I really, really, would like to be able to agree with that. But that's like suggesting nobody using Chrome cares about it, which is blatantly untrue.

If there was a movement where people valued choice, privacy, and transparency you can be sure more than 3% of Internet users would part of it.

Sign of the times

naive

Firefox is the logical choice on Linux, and for those who do not like to be 24/7 under the commercial surveillance of US based Big Tech.

It is too bad to see El Reg sliding down the slope into the lamestream MS swamp, the whole article is negative about Firestorm.

El Reg is nowadays laced with infotisement from MS FUD'ers, the world is full of it and we do not need more.

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