Amazon's nuclear datacenter dreams stall as watchdog rejects power deal
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The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) issued an [1]order on November 1 rejecting an amended Interconnection Service Agreement (ISA) that would have increased the amount of co-located load from 300 to 480 MW, and to "make revisions related to the treatment of this co-located load."
Co-located load means the Cumulus datacenter complex that Talen Energy built next to the 2.5 GW Susquehanna nuclear plant in Pennsylvania which it operates, and which [2]Amazon acquired in March via a deal worth $650 million.
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The online megamart [4]announced plans in May to expand the site with more than a dozen new datacenters for its Amazon Web Services (AWS) cloud subsidiary over the next decade.
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Soon after that, [7]official objections were filed by two utility companies, American Electric Power (AEP) and Exelon. They argued that the revised agreement between Talen and PJM Interconnection, the regional power grid operator, would give the Cumulus site preferential treatment and may result in less energy going to the grid in some circumstances.
Exelon and AEP also argued that the amended ISA should be subject to an official hearing because "it raises many factual questions," and, in the absence of any such hearing, that FERC should reject the amended ISA. It seems a majority of the commissioners agreed.
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Specifically, Exelon and AEP said the amended ISA had not been adequately supported, meaning no good reason was given as to why the amendments were necessary.
The FERC ruling notes that PJM says up to 480 MW of power could be delivered to "the co-located load" without a material impact on the grid, and any additional load beyond that would result in "generation deliverability violations" and require installation of system upgrades.
The amended ISA also states the co-located load "is not intended to consume capacity and/or energy from the PJM transmission system [the grid]," but it is "possible that it will."
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Exelon and AEP expressed concern that it was unclear what steps have been taken to ensure any such withdrawal of power from the grid would be properly metered and accurately billed when it does occur, and who would be financially responsible.
In its summary, FERC said PJM had not demonstrated that its proposed "non-conforming" provisions in the amended ISA are necessary deviations from the existing agreement, and therefore rejected it.
One dissenting voice was FERC Chairman Willie L Phillips, who claimed the order was "a step backward for both electric reliability and national security." He said he believed that PJM had addressed reliability issues comprehensively in its filing, and the ruling risks America's leadership in AI because "reliable electricity is the lifeblood" of the datacenters required for developing AI.
However, Commissioner Mark C Christie explained that co-location arrangements of this type present "an array of complicated, nuanced, and multifaceted issues, which collectively could have huge ramifications for both grid reliability and consumer costs," and it was being rejected because PJM had failed to meet its burden of proof.
[10]Energy exec punts datacenter power options out to long term
[11]European datacenter energy consumption set to triple by end of decade
[12]AI's energy appetite has Taiwan reconsidering the nuclear option
[13]Tech giants set to pay through the nose for nuclear power that's still years away
If the proposed amendment were approved at this time, he warned: "we would be setting a precedent that would be used to justify identical or similar arrangements in future cases."
The move highlights the difficulties datacenter operators face in expanding their facilities to keep pace with the booming demand for training and operating the latest AI models, and the challenges that power companies face in delivering the energy required.
As The Register has [14]covered recently , access to enough power has become a major issue in building or expanding those bit barns, with one major commercial property developer in the UK citing this as the [15]single biggest constraint it faces.
Yet according to [16]Bloomberg , the hyperscalers – Amazon, Alphabet, Meta, and Microsoft – are set to collectively splash out well over $200 billion this year chasing the AI dragon, despite increasing warnings the AI market is a [17]bubble set to burst and many investors and enterprises are not seeing much return for all the cash they are throwing at it.
Amazon itself said in its [18]recent earnings report it expects to spend $75 billion on capex this year and even more in 2025, largely due to rising demand for AWS services related to generative AI.
We asked the company to comment on the rejected Susquehanna power proposal.
The company has also recently pursued small modular reactors (SMRs) via a $500 million [19]investment into three projects to develop these miniature nuclear plants. ®
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[1] https://www.ferc.gov/media/er24-2172-pjms-susquehanna-co-location-proposal
[2] https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/04/amazon_acquires_cumulus_nuclear_datacenter/
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[10] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/25/schneider_exec_dc_power/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/25/eu_dc_power/
[12] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/22/taiwans_ai_chip_boom_sparks/
[13] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/18/big_tech_nuclear_power/
[14] https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/03/cloud_growth_energy_challenges/
[15] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/29/datacenter_developer_says_power_issues/
[16] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-01/tech-giants-are-set-to-spend-200-billion-this-year-chasing-ai
[17] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/20/asia_tech_news_roundup/
[18] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/01/amazon_75b_capex/
[19] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/16/amazon_nuclear_smr/
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Re: Seems clear cut to me
@b0llchit
Amazon: We want stable and reliable power
Regulator: No.
Re: Seems clear cut to me
More like:
Amazon: We want to take away stable and reliable power from other customers
Representatives of other customers: Not over our dead bodies
The quick and relatively clean solution is to build new CCGT plants, another solution is to tell hyperscalers to stock up on batteries and deal with intermittent power.
Re: Seems clear cut to me
CCGT isn't a clean solution...
Re: Seems clear cut to me
CO2 is plant food.
Re: Seems clear cut to me
@IvyKing
"Amazon: We want to take away stable and reliable power from other customers"
Take? You mean buy. And why isnt there enough power?
"The quick and relatively clean solution is to build new CCGT plants"
That is one option but would upset the MMCC crowd.
"another solution is to tell hyperscalers to stock up on batteries and deal with intermittent power."
But why should the customers have to solve the failures of government policy?
fusion
waiting for fusion to come, just need something to contain that 100 million deg C.
Re: fusion
Do Amazon sell anything suitable?
Re: fusion
[1]This bowl is advertised as lettuce the fusion products do all the work during escape while containing the source plasma. Also, it is top rated and has high energy density with negligible maintenance.
[1] https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51LWhBbvyjL._AC_SL1001_.jpg
Seems clear cut to me
Amazon: All your Power(s) are belong to us.
Regulator: No.