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We know what Musk will probably dress up as this year: A victim

(2024/10/31)


Elon Musk has been ordered to attend a Halloween hearing on the legality of his election petition lottery, but a last-minute removal request may have given the billionaire a reprieve to spend the day enjoying quality holiday time with his family or more relentless campaigning to help elect Donald Trump.

Musk and his America PAC, you may recall, were giving out $1 million a day to random folks in swing states, provided they signed his voter information gathering scheme petition in support of the Constitution and its first and second amendments. That [1]didn't sit well with the governor of Pennsylvania - where the first several prizes were given out - who said the matter looked illegal, and merited further investigation.

It didn't take long for Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner to decide the Governor's suggestion was worth taking action on, so he [2]sued Musk and his PAC on Monday in a bid to freeze the cash giveaway on the grounds it's an illegal lottery.

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"Running an illegal lottery and violating consumer protections is ample basis for an injunction and concluding that America PAC and Musk must be stopped, immediately, before the upcoming presidential election on November 5," Krasner, a Democrat, argued in his complaint, "because America PAC and Musk hatched their illegal lottery scheme to influence voters in that election."

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Philadelphia County judge Angelo Foglietta appeared to concur with the critical nature of the case, and agreed to set a hearing for today at 1000 local time, which Musk was ordered to attend, to show cause why an immediate injunction shouldn't be granted.

No treat, just a legal trick

Musk apparently wasn't keen to [6]fly home and drag his perpetual victim costume out of the closet for a Halloween court date, so his lawyers instead filed a removal [7]motion [PDF] in Pennsylvania federal court.

[8]Trump taps Musk to lead 'government efficiency' task force

[9]Cards Against Humanity campaigns to encourage voting, expose personal data abuse

[10]Putin's pro-Trump trolls accuse Harris of poaching rhinos

[11]Elon Musk's assassination 'joke' bombs, internet calls for his deportation

In the lengthy document, Musk's lawyers argue that Krasner's application of state law is inappropriate, given that the claims of election interference pertain to a federal election and not a state one. Musk's lawyers further argue that the election-related activities Krasner filed suit over, namely "independent expenditures to influence campaigns for federal office and the core political speech via petition gathering," are exclusively a matter for federal court.

Removal motions put actions in lower courts on hold immediately, meaning the hearing is likely on hold pending a hearing on the removal motion. As of writing, today's hearing in Philadelphia is still on the docket for the case (no. 241003509 in Philadelphia County [12]Court of Common Pleas).

The Register was told by the court's office of communications that the hearing would likely still be held as scheduled, during which time Musk's lawyers will probably bring their removal request to the judge, and the hearing is likely to be adjourned.

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Whether Musk will be in attendance is unknown, and his lawyers have not responded to questions. ®

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[1] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/21/shocking_elon_musks_1m_election/

[2] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25255630-philly-v-musk

[3] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offbeat/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2ZyO3uNFJjItPH3TcefD-pwAAAM0&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[4] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offbeat/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZyO3uNFJjItPH3TcefD-pwAAAM0&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[5] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offbeat/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33ZyO3uNFJjItPH3TcefD-pwAAAM0&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[6] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/30/tech_billionaires_carbon_footprint/

[7] https://regmedia.co.uk/2024/10/31/musk-pa-lottery-suit-federal-removal-motion.pdf

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/06/musk_government_efficiency_trump/

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/10/cards_against_humanity_us_election/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/25/russia_china_iran_election_disinfo/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/16/calls_to_deport_elon_musk/

[12] https://fjdefile.phila.gov/efsfjd/zk_fjd_public_qry_03.zp_dktrpt_frames

[13] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offbeat/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZyO3uNFJjItPH3TcefD-pwAAAM0&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[14] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



It’s amazing…

Anonymous Coward

…how being rich means that you don’t have to go to court or face consequences…

Re: It’s amazing…

Snake

...it's America. Did you expect anything less of us?

The fools have taken worshiping money to an art form.

Re: It’s amazing…

MiguelC

It just proves once again (if proof was still required) that the US have the best justice system money can buy

Re: It’s amazing…

Sir Sham Cad

Yep, as long as you have in inexhaustible supply of Lawyer Tokens, the inevitable can be delayed indefinitely.

Re: It’s amazing…

Anonymous Coward

That's another reason to tax the rich in geometric progression. That is they should pay anyhow for the unlimited corruption potential.

Re: It’s amazing…

Wyrdness

The US has the best justice that money can buy.

Though I would be delighted if Elon became Felon

If he does show up,

JWLong

.............He should do so as a CLOWN!

Re: If he does show up,

Someone Else

Hmmm.../me is trying to imagine what an ass-clown costume would look like.

Let the speculation begin!

Doctor Syntax

Let me get this right. To get round this as not being electoral interference he presents it as a prize draw. On that basis he's prosecuted by a state as running an illegal lottery. As soon as that happens he's presenting it as electoral interference to take it out of the state courts.

Which is it? Perhaps both and he can do jail time on both counts.

Cris E

The goal is to delay long enough to run the scheme thru the election and then wave it away with a simple "no longer relevant." The goal for the state would be to pause it immediately and then see if they can establish some useful precedent to keep this from happening again (and if not then drop it after the election as no longer relevant.)

Elon Musk has been ordered to attend a Halloween hearing

Howard Sway

The judge will have to decide whether his stunt was a trick or a treat.

Re: Elon Musk has been ordered to attend a Halloween hearing

Anonymous Coward

sorry, read that as if this "cunt it trick or treat"

Didn't show

PCScreenOnly

According to the Beeb, he didn't show. Hopefully as he was ordered to, he could be charged with contempt of court (though doubt that will bother him)

Re: Didn't show

F. Frederick Skitty

He could be found in contempt of court, which would result in a bench warrant being issued for his arrest. The authorities have also indicated they may upgrade the charges to criminal ones.

Re: Didn't show

Omnipresent

Nothing will happen. 2008 proved you can be "too rich to fail." Putin talked the bros into giving this criminal thug 250 billion. He's untouchable and he knows it. That is the attack putin and his cronies unleashed on America. They established pro russian oligarchs in the heart off the tech industry, who were all too willing to take the cash.

Lock him up

Anonymous Coward

because he failed to turn up.

Anonymous Coward

This is great. Next time I have a traffic court date, I'm filing a motion to move it to federal court one hour before!

Anyways, I'll eagerly await on hearing how being a federally registered election PAC means states don't get to enforce non-election rules against you in state court. This should be an interesting argument, if the lawyers can keep a straight face while presented it to the judge.

Re: Move traffic court to federal court

Flocke Kroes

I think you would have to specify with evidence what federal crime you committed and why being found guilty of that crime allows you to break state traffic laws. The step after that is to delay until you can buy a pardon from the president. Probably cheaper to lose you license and hire a chauffeur for your Rolls.

Ugh

Throatwarbler Mangrove

Unfortunately, thanks to the Citizens United decision, Musk will probably walk. Money is now speech, protected by the First Amendment, so any laws preventing election inference by bribery will probably be struck down by the Roberts court.

IANAL, and I would be happy to be proven wrong.

Whilst the overall election is federal ...

John Robson

Does the electoral college not mean that the current elections are statewide, in order to elect the electors, who then go on to elect the president later?

Deduct votes

Anonymous Coward

Then it should be legal to obtain the list of lottery participants and deduct the total count from the official votes for Trump.

I thought the lawsuit was different

Kevin McMurtrie

Running a fraudulent lottery or sweepstakes to influence an election - a potential state matter.

katrinab

Are presidential elections Federal elections? I thought it was a state election for electoral college members?

Hmm

codejunky

Also in Pennsylvania in Bucks County a judge has overrode local officials who closed down early in person voting early on the final day and used local law enforcement to try to stop voters. They now have until Friday as the long lines were not serviced by the election office that seemed unprepared.

Whenever people agree with me, I always think I must be wrong.
-- Oscar Wilde