Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers
(2024/10/23)
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2024/10/23/linus_torvalds_affirms_expulsion_of/
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Linux creator Linus Torvalds on Wednesday affirmed the removal last week of about a dozen kernel maintainers associated with Russia.
On October 18, Linux kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman [1]published a message to the Linux kernel mailing list showing that a handful of Linux developers in the MAINTAINERS file had been removed.
His explanation was vague. "Remove some entries due to various compliance requirements," Kroah-Hartman wrote. "They can come back in the future if sufficient documentation is provided."
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Mailing list participants pushed back, asking for further explanation about the removed names, all of which appear to be Russian and most of which are associated with a Russian (.ru) email address. Russia is currently subject to [3]US government sanctions related to its February 2022 invasion of Ukraine and other concerns.
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Those dropped from the maintainer list oversee various Linux drivers that provide interoperability with hardware from vendors like Acer and Cirrus Logic.
[6]Codasip opens up SDK for CHERI protection on RISC-V chips
[7]Socket plugs in $40M to strengthen software supply chain
[8]SiFive launches early access for Premier P550 RISC-V developer board
[9]Big browsers are about to throw a wrench in your ad-free paradise
Torvalds [10]responded to the mailing list challenges in the style for which he's become famous by attributing the blowback to Russian trolls.
Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.
It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.
And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.
If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.
As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.
The driver code to which the dropped maintainers contributed remains in place.
The Linux Foundation, a US-based non-profit, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. ®
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[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/2024101835-tiptop-blip-09ed@gregkh/
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[6] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/23/codasip_sdk_riscv_chip/
[7] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/22/socket_slurps_40m_to_secure/
[8] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/21/sifive_premier_p550_board/
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/21/ublock_firefox_chrome_issues/
[10] https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEgRMQMxZZ0z-jY4uHT+Gg@mail.gmail.com/
[11] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
On October 18, Linux kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman [1]published a message to the Linux kernel mailing list showing that a handful of Linux developers in the MAINTAINERS file had been removed.
His explanation was vague. "Remove some entries due to various compliance requirements," Kroah-Hartman wrote. "They can come back in the future if sufficient documentation is provided."
[2]
Mailing list participants pushed back, asking for further explanation about the removed names, all of which appear to be Russian and most of which are associated with a Russian (.ru) email address. Russia is currently subject to [3]US government sanctions related to its February 2022 invasion of Ukraine and other concerns.
[4]
[5]
Those dropped from the maintainer list oversee various Linux drivers that provide interoperability with hardware from vendors like Acer and Cirrus Logic.
[6]Codasip opens up SDK for CHERI protection on RISC-V chips
[7]Socket plugs in $40M to strengthen software supply chain
[8]SiFive launches early access for Premier P550 RISC-V developer board
[9]Big browsers are about to throw a wrench in your ad-free paradise
Torvalds [10]responded to the mailing list challenges in the style for which he's become famous by attributing the blowback to Russian trolls.
Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.
It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.
And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.
If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.
As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.
The driver code to which the dropped maintainers contributed remains in place.
The Linux Foundation, a US-based non-profit, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. ®
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[3] https://ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions-programs-and-country-information/russia-related-sanctions
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[6] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/23/codasip_sdk_riscv_chip/
[7] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/22/socket_slurps_40m_to_secure/
[8] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/21/sifive_premier_p550_board/
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/21/ublock_firefox_chrome_issues/
[10] https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEgRMQMxZZ0z-jY4uHT+Gg@mail.gmail.com/
[11] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
Throatwarbler Mangrove
Decided to revert my previous snarky comment.
How would you handle this differently, and what evidence suggests that "open source is better than this"?
karlkarl
Its a tough pill to swallow but open-source code committed by i.e a murderer is just as valid as code committed by the pope. Respect the "work" rather than the man, religion or country they come from.
Orv
For once, I agree with Linus's snark. And anyone expecting anything less from a Finn hasn't known many Finns. I used to work at a Finnish-run company and my boss once told me, "no male member of my family has ever gone to Russia unless they were carrying a rifle."
I don't believe this to be the right approach. Open-source is better than this.