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Kyndryl follows in IBM's footsteps with rolling layoffs likely affecting thousands

(2024/10/01)


Special report Kyndryl, the IT services biz spun out of IBM in late 2021, has been following in the footsteps of its parent by discreetly shedding hundreds of workers, largely in the US.

The reason, we're told, is that the firm has not been winning new IT services contracts.

In the wake of [1]our report in mid-September about IBM's quiet layoffs, we heard about ongoing, unpublicized job cuts at Kyndryl from two former employees and one current employee who expects to be let go shortly.

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Kyndryl did not respond to a request to comment, though the firm has acknowledged its intention to get rid of employees in its financial filings. In its [3]fiscal 2023 annual report [PDF], covering the 12 months to April 2023, it revealed it had 90,000 employees. Its [4]fiscal 2024 annual report [PDF] reduced that number by 11 percent to 80,000.

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In that fiscal 2024 – the 12 months to April 2024 – the biz spent $190 million trimming its workforce, it [7]reported in a recent financial filing. That paperwork states further staff reductions began in the quarter ending June 30, 2024. And in fiscal 2025, the 12 months to April 2025, the IT corp expects to spend $100 million on workforce changes.

Given the $190 million charge during a period that saw the loss of 10,000 employees in fiscal 2024, we can estimate that the $100 million in workforce rebalancing charges anticipated in fiscal 2025 will lead to the ouster of around 5,200 workers by the end of March next year.

They've been laying off a lot of people. Almost my whole department got benched

The current and former Kyndryl employees who spoke to The Register – we'll use the pseudonyms Avery, Brooks, and Carmen because of concerns about career consequences – reported that Kyndryl conducts layoffs by putting people "on the bench."

The trio all hold senior technical roles.

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"My whole team has been laid off or is in the process," Avery told The Register . "It is called being 'moved to the bench.' We were there with what I believe is many hundreds. There were plenty of others before us and I have a current teammate on the bench and there are tons of project managers on there with him."

The bench is currently occupied by somewhere between a hundred and two hundred employees, we're told. According to Avery, the benching of employees picked up in the fourth calendar quarter of last year and is ongoing.

"They've been laying off a lot of people," said Brooks. "When I left, there were over 100 people on the bench in the US alone. Almost my whole department got benched."

[9]IBM, Kyndryl again once sued for age discrimination – this time by its own VPs

[10]IBM, Kyndryl cut jobs even after cutting ties

[11]Leaked Kyndryl files show 55 was average age of laid-off US workers

[12]Laid-off 60-year-old Kyndryl exec says he was told IT giant wanted 'new blood'

Carmen told us that Kyndryl employees who are not being billed to contracts 70 percent of the time or more generally get benched – as Carmen presently is. "If you're not attached to an active project and you're not actively billable against that active project, you're in what we call a non-billable – you're not billing all your hours," Carmen said.

Asked whether those being benched tend to be more expensive because of their seniority, Carmen speculated that Kyndryl is trying to reduce its US technical staff in order to offshore what work there is.

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"There are no new contracts coming in," reported Carmen. "And I think eventually they're going to have to start benching their management staff – their senior management – because right now there's just nothing."

They're going to have to start benching senior management because right now there's just nothing

Among the three individuals we spoke to, the consensus was that Kyndryl just wasn't bringing in enough new business, so layoffs were necessary to keep the stock price up.

"Our sales people seem to want to hit a home run, you know, they want the hundred-million-dollar contracts and stuff like that," said Avery. "I just don't think those really exist anymore."

Avery added that salespeople price the firm out of smaller contracts that would keep engineering staff busy – and thus off the bench.

"That's how they're doing their layoffs now, through the bench," explained Brooks. "Basically, if you don't have a contract for three weeks, you automatically get put on the bench. If you can't find any work within Kyndryl – which, you know, if you're a US employee is damn near impossible – [you get laid off]."

And contracts from other businesses to have Kyndryl run their IT services have been scarce, we're told.

Before cloud

"You used to have to have highly skilled people to do things before the cloud," explained Brooks. "You don't need highly skilled people. You can manage your daily environment through a web browser."

Brooks said those being let go are mainly in their 40s or older. "There were very few people under 45 being laid off," Avery observed, adding that it's not simply about age. "For me, it was just work. We didn't get any new contracts. And everyone I've talked to is in the same situation.

"For those kinds of systems, there's a lot of competition, especially from TSC [Tata Systems Consulting]. [Kyndryl] is always trying to get the best cost labor that they can get. And honestly, American workers just don't fit into that."

While those we spoke with credited Kyndryl for offering three to twelve months of health coverage (depending upon years of service) and three months of severance pay to those let go, the separation agreement requires former employees to agree to arbitrate future disputes rather than pursue them in court.

And it requires that former employees release Kyndryl – to the extent allowed by law – from any claims of discrimination, retaliation, and statutes related to civil rights and labor law. ®

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[9] https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/20/ibm_and_kyndryl_again_sued/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/04/ibm_and_kyndryl_are_cutting/

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"benched"

Little Mouse

The higher-ups will use alternative words and phrases to cover "unpleasant" situations and decisions. Whatever helps them sleep at night, I guess.

But it's a bit creepy to hear the people having it done to them using the exact same terminology.

You're being laid off. Let go. Made redundant.

Surely there's a point when it's OK to stop singing the company song?

Re: "benched"

Anonymous Coward

In IBM that was stage 1.

Stage 2 was receiving a 5 on your annual review (because you're on the bench and not hitting utilisation targets)

Stage 3 was being put on a PIP because you got a low grade, the performance improvement being getting high utilisation

Stage 4 was being offered voluntary redundancy

Stage 5...

Re: "benched"

williamyf

Think of benching as a new name for purgatory.

As the article clearly says, while "benched" you are still employed, and have a certain time (a few weeks) to find a project where a significant # of your hours are billable. Failure to do so means Redundancy/firing/pink-slip.

So, benching is the start of the process, and also the name of the specific way Kyndryl is doing it.

Also, Kyndryl will probably offshore (to places like India and the Philiphines), but also nearshore to places like Mexico, costa rica and other places in LatAm.

So, not really employees then

Missing Semicolon

It sounds like you might as well be a contractor. There's about the same amount of job security.

seven of five

> "You used to have to have highly skilled people to do things before the cloud," explained Brooks. "You don't need highly skilled people. You can manage your daily environment through a web browser."

"You used to be able to drive before FSD was invented", explained Elon. "You don't need to drive, FSD can manage your drivi*beepbeepscrEEEEEE*CRASHBANG... fire...

Anonymous Coward

Rather ironic as, according to Kyndryl senior management, it wouldn't exist and be as successful as it is without its people.

People

fg_swe

You can have some of the greatest "people" on the planet, but when leaders are 1diots, the entire thing will be run into the ground.

HP, DEC, IBM, Third Reich,... you name it !

Quit Proactively

fg_swe

Too many folks have a false sense of loyalty to IBM and its offsprings. Their business models are low-value, which means they are easy to outsource to the Third World.

High-value business models entail consulting with the customer, writing requirements documents, designing, testing systems from that. And then continue that circle with enhancements...

The idea that this is no longer needed because of "cloud" is nonsense, too. Low level sysadmin work might be redundant now, but extremely advanced sysadmin work has been created inside AWS, Azure etc. IBM, HP too sleepy to get into the cloud business just displays how calcified their leaders are.

Why spend time with losers ?

Hewlett Packard And Cloud

fg_swe

I can remember Joel Birnbaum (then VP of R+D) writing about the future "utility computing", as soon as the cheap fiber based networks would enable fast+cheap access to servers in very remote data centers. HP was then a leader in CPUs, multiprocessor servers of several flavors but also some of the most advanced optical fiber engineering devices such as OTDRs, tunable laser sources etc. Birnbaum essentiall predicted the coming of what we now call Cloud Computing already in 1995 or so.

Guess what ? HP failed to execute on Mr Birnbaum's observations, and the upstart Amazon made the killing cloud business happen. Cloud ate lots of HP, IBM, Unisys, Fujitsu business and they resisted the model for a very long time, despite "consulting" their customers about the virtues of "change management".

So the moral of the story is - do not stick to these calcified behemoths. They are run by aging beancounters without any useful business and technology fantasy (unlike Amazon in this case).

Almost the same story can be told about Smart Phones. HP labs(corporate Research )also knew they were coming in 1995 already, but the MBA beancounters fired all the engineers who could make them happen for HP in the early 2000s.

DEC + Altavista

fg_swe

Remember Altavista ?

The old beancounters who controlled DEC could not find a way to monetize their pole position in search engines. Then they tanked.

DEC could be what is now Google !

"Bench pipping" is an unethical and legally questionable practice

Anonymous Coward

This is what is known at IBM as a “bench pip” which is a prelude to a pip. IBM has had a bench and pips forever, but this is a very specific, and particularly cruel, hybrid creation of Armand and his goons that they launched in March or April of 2023, under a program called “US Proactive Productivity Management” — a practice that is now apparently being adopted at Kyndryl. It is not one or the other but a hybrid of the two and it’s important to understand the implications for you.

They fully expect well over 90% of you not to make it, Hunger Games style. It also goes on your record, damages your professional reputation, and future hireability, not to mention the psychological stress. By firing you for (a made up) cause (namely, the pipeline, whether you're in sales or not), it’s primarily a way to stiff you on severance and get around the WARN Act. People who are pipped don’t get the standard 3-month severance. In addition, you get the reputational damage. Technically, they don’t need to pay you any severance at all because you’re being fired for poor performance, but they typically give you 1 month to buy your silence so it doesn’t get reported. It honestly shouldn’t be legal but probably is, although barely so. Only because The Register covered this story has IBM started to comply with the WARN Act in California. It would probably take filing and winning a class action lawsuit for there to be any meaningful change, though.

Bull$hit

fg_swe

If Kyndryl salesfolks cannot sell Kyndryl services, it has little to nothing to do with the skills of Kyndryl employees. Rather, leaders+sales folks are incompetent and/or the economy is not going well.

Polish your CV and venture out of the calcified corporation !

IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. Never let them drag you down in their excusive talk !

Of course IBM/Kyndryl/$CalcifiedCorp want to make you feel bad, so that you can be terminated as easy as possible. They want you to think you are at fault. Basic business bullshitting. Never let that close to you !

If you're careful enough, nothing bad or good will ever happen to you.