Elon Musk's assassination 'joke' bombs, internet calls for his deportation
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After spotting the barrel of an AK-style rifle sticking out of a bush at the edge of one of Trump's Florida golf courses, Secret Service officers fired shots at and ultimately [1]detained a man whom the FBI suspects was out to kill the previous President. For those who have been avoiding the news, this marks the [2]second detectable attempt on Trump's life of late, which struck Musk as a bit unfair.
"And no one is even trying to assassinate Biden/Kamala," Musk [3]posted to X in response to someone wondering what motivated the two would-be Trump assassins. The response was swift, with [4]#DeportElonMusk trending 12 hours after Musk made the post, which has since been deleted.
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"Well, one lesson I've learned is that just because I say something to a group and they laugh doesn't mean it's going to be all that hilarious as a post on X," Musk [6]said , [7]adding it "turns out that jokes are WAY less funny if people don't know the context and the delivery is plain text."
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Context aside, it's possible Musk's statement rises to the level of incitement to violence, generally legally determined using the two-pronged [10]Brandenburg test .
[11]Trump taps Musk to lead 'government efficiency' task force
[12]Elon Musk claims live Trump interview on X derailed by DDoS
[13]Trump 'tried to sell Truth Social to Musk' as SPAC deal stalled
[14]Elon Musk reins in Grok AI bot to stop election misinformation
That rule, which stems from a 1969 court decision out of Ohio, holds that speech can be considered incitement to violence, and thus not protected, if it is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action," and "likely to produce such action."
Whether Musk's language rises to such a level isn't immediately clear. We've contacted legal experts to learn more about how his comments might be interpreted by a court, but haven't heard back.
The US Secret Service, which is responsible for protecting high-ranking US federal government officials and investigating threats toward them, did respond, but wouldn't go into specifics.
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"The Secret Service is aware of the social media post made by Elon Musk and as a matter of practice, we do not comment on matters involving protective intelligence," a spokesperson told us. "We can say, however, that the Secret Service investigates all threats related to our protectees."
We've also asked Musk about how he intends to save his [16]comedy career after telling a "joke" so bad it's led to calls for his deportation, but haven't heard back. ®
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[1] https://apnews.com/article/trump-assassination-attempt-what-to-know-564c56e167c3cdc6c50f6a2e91db9a6c
[2] https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/16/fbi_access_trump_shooting_phone/
[3] https://twitter.com/theliamnissan/status/1835516480349249926/photo/1
[4] https://twitter.com/search?q=%23DeportElonMusk&src=typeahead_click&f=top
[5] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offbeat/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2ZuiqhCy2s6n4LgOvcE6PiAAAAJE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0
[6] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1835573866271330307
[7] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1835574495467159607?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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[10] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/brandenburg_test
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/06/musk_government_efficiency_trump/
[12] https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/13/trump_musk_livestream_ddos_delay/
[13] https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/12/donald_trump_tried_to_sell/
[14] https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/28/grok_election_misinformation/
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[16] https://www.theregister.com/2021/04/26/musk_snl/
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To Mars!
Maybe we should deport him to Mars on one of his own rockets?
The natives may be unimpressed though
Re: To Mars!
The chances of anything coming from Earth, are a million to one Zeep said!
Re: To Mars!
Ack ack ack ack. Ack ack ack ack. Ack.
Re: To Mars!
We come in peace!
Re: To Mars!
We put up with @amanfrommars 1 - so, it's only fair that the Martians accept someone in return
I supposed we'd be just as bad as Musk if we hastagged assasinatemuskinstead? Was more wondering would anyone give a toss to investigate it or would they be drycleaning their best dress for the medal ceremony.
*NB the above is a mindless statement that holds no true intention of ill towards another human being that currently exists on this plane of existense.
Hypothetically
"I supposed we'd be just as bad as Musk ..."
You certainly would be just as funny as Musk.
Re: Hypothetically
I find him about as funny as a burning orphanage.
Re: Hypothetically
You obviously don't know the context behind that orphanage fire.
Re: Hypothetically
Er yes, it was obviously, er, a "terrorist command post" ...
Musk demonstrates extreme cluelessness!
Film at 11!
::yawn::
ElReg: Please stop giving the idiot press. Like all stoners, he is just not worth the column-inches.
Deport him…
…from the US to where?? Who’s interested in getting hold of him?
Re: Deport him…
.. I hear the weather on Mars is pretty good this time of year. /sarcasm
EDIT: I owe @cyberdemon a frosty cold beverage of their choosing. :D
Re: Deport him…
"Argentina, maybe?"
( Obligatory Beatles reference )
Re: Deport him…
... to the bottom of the Mariana Trench? I'm sure there's some form of sea-life that would welcome his arrival...
Deep sea creatures might welcome him as a source of nutrition, but otherwise...
Perhaps they could send him there in a submersible whose design approach was very much in line with Musk's own libertarian, wannabe-bad-boy politics, one which ignored all the naysayers saying it was dangerous and which ditched things like safety testing that "needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation".
Only problem is that the guy behind it hasn't been been heard of since last summer- perhaps he's been too busy underwater exploring!- and it appears that the original example is no longer available, so they'd have to build another out of scraps of old carbon fibre.
Still, they can take their time- there's no Rush after all!
Re: Deep sea creatures might welcome him as a source of nutrition, but otherwise...
"OceanGate, the manufacturer behind the craft, has previously faced questions over its design choices, its safety record and its adherence to regulations."
[1]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kk1g66n7o
Musk is not like that. Is... he?
[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kk1g66n7o
Re: Deport him…
I'm from Santa Cruz. Dumping your bilge in Monterey Bay it's illegal.
Re: Deport him…
Back to South Africa where he immigrated from?
Re: Deport him…
*emigrated
Isn't an autocracy worth it so Elon's businesses and be freed from government regulation while getting government subsidies and contracts? Dude's got one foot off the planet already, why not light a match as he's leaving.
"We've contacted legal experts to learn more about how his comments might be interpreted by a court,"
The only real way to decide how comments might be interpreted by a court is to have them interpreted by a court. How many views you get otherwise depends on how many legal experts you ask.
See also asking economists for economic projections.
I feel unclean...
..but im struggling to see what he did wrong? If he had said "Go kill them instead" then sure, but joking that they aren't worth killing (that's how I'm reading it) seems nothing particularly bad
Now I need a shower after defending this piece of shit.
Re: I feel unclean...
Well... it would be different if you or I made a joke like that on social media. We'd just be called jackasses etc.
Whether it was his intent or not, it's a dog whistle coming from him.
Re: I feel unclean...
Stochastic terrorism, That's what's wrong.
Exactly what "context" does he think wasn't clear to readers of the post which would have made that hilarious? The only context I am aware of is "two publicly-known assassination attempts on a former President and current candidate, who Musk likes, but none on his opponents, who Musk doesn't like".
Most of us think things like that at least briefly, but we don't say them, certainly not when we're in a position of "authority" of any kind.
So there is...
...A rich man in America that can't tell the difference between what he can do and what he should do? Who knew?
Re: So there is...
So there is...A rich man in America that can't tell the difference between his sycophants laughing at his joke and people who aren't his yes-men? Who knew?
In answer to Musks bad joke, because Biden/Harris are not racist POS and are actually trying to govern for the benefit of the American people.
Where as despite Trump MAGA campaign slogan he couldn't give a crap the American people. Unfortunately a lot of Trump supports just don't see this, and think hes an ever man who will help the working Joe when he comes to power. But the only Americans Trump cares about are the ones who give him money, can do him favours, he finds physically attractive or the sycophants who tell him how fantastic he is to boost his ego.
Not that i condone violence even against a POS like Trump, he needs to loose the election and then sent to jail to answer for his many crimes.
In answer to Musks bad joke, because Biden/Harris are not racist POS and are actually trying to govern for the benefit of the American people.
Except for Darth Biden's constant attacks on 'extreme MAGA Republicans', the far-left constantly screeching about how anyone on their right (and especially Trump) is the greatest threat to Democratcy since the French and Russians helped the US gain independence.
Which is both entertaining and disturbing. The Bbc has been running lots of cover, mostly focusing on this nutjob's links to Ukraine. What they seem to be studiously avoiding are he was also a foaming at the mouth Democrat in late stage TDS who's 'social' media presence was characterised by the usual rants against the Orange One. A lot of their rants have been taken down now, but some still remains. So like the previous nutjob, this one was also an ActBlue donor.
The media, and not just 'social' media has a lot to answer for in whipping up hate and divsion that's polarised politics and convinced nutjobs like this that they're somehow 'saving America'. It's much like the old thought exercise about killing Hitler, except this time the media has been happily comparing Trump to Hitler, then seemingly suprised when someone tests that theory.
Missed the January 6th insurrection, did you?
Let me see if I find a pciture book for you.
You must have been asleep from 2016 to 2021.
Do you honestly think Kathy Griffin's Trump head stunt was not incitement to violence? Or 'I've bee thinking about blowing up the white house' or 'when was the last time an actor assassinated a president'?
And he's also try to race to get back in the white house because of all his legal troubles, because once back in he'll have them all dropped.
He'll be really dangerous the 2nd time round.
He made a mistake last time, thought he could do whatever he wanted then discovered he couldn't. So now is making sure all that join him will be yes people, to allow him to do whatever he wants (which will be grifting for cash, making his millionaire mates more money, playing golf and making it so when his time is up, the presidency gets passed onto his sons, coughNorthKoreaStylecough).
And he's also try to race to get back in the white house because of all his legal troubles, because once back in he'll have them all dropped.
Or he might just win his appeals. That's how justice is supposed to work.. isn't it?
Or he might just win his appeals. That's how justice is supposed to work.. isn't it?
That is how it should work for everyone .
But the supreme court (largely by conservative appointees that Trump put in place) has given the president more powers than a king (at least in the UK, post Magna Carta where they reigned in bad King John in 1215) so he can skip all of the due process and checks & balances that are there to provide a reasonable chance of justice. So if he wins he will pardon himself and/or take steps to null other trials "because I say its a political witch-hunt, and I'm such a great guy who is always right, and we don't need to hear evidence".
You might think Trump would change is stance on gun control after this, true it would not stop everyone, but it would reduce the ease with which nut-jobs can access such weapons and ammunition, and do far more for school mass shootings (AKA fourth trimester abortion)
The US president has always had a good degree of immunity. SCOTUS has not granted anything new.
I'd say it's because of the aura Trump built for himself. On one hand, he generally projects strong negative messages: he tends to rage at things he dislikes much more than cheer at things he likes. When he does cheer at something, it's usually just a flip-side, cheering because something he dislikes is getting raged at. At the same time, he's extremely self-centered; it's all about him.
At this point, it's difficult to think about Trump without feeling outraged. If you're for him, you're outraged at the things he points at; if you're against him, you're outraged at him. And he's right in the middle of this tornado of negative discourse.
It's not that surprising that people who are slightly unhinged from reality might easily get swept up by that vortex and drawn towards the center. I don't think Trump tends to attract as much attention from the cool, calm and collected of either side of the political spectrum, as he does from the rabid hordes. And that is definitely by design; however, it's clearly not a plan without risks.
An insurrection is not a cult of personality problem.
Quick post to test for new moderation. I pointed out this nutjob was a Democrat, and just like that, the reply vanished..
From this side of the ocean, both sides are a bucket of crazy.
How about you lot stop giving a shit about whether somebody is left or right, donkey or elephant, and start working out what is in the best interests of the country ? Is that too much to ask?
Jellied conspiracy
You mean your reply [1]up here ? The one which appears to be clearly visible as a regular comment within the thread?
I supposed you're going to suggest that They *had* removed it, but quickly put it back when you spotted and called out this "far-left" conspiracy to suppress your self-proclaimed "libertarian/conservative" freedom of speech?
And in doing so they made you look like a liar.... another conspiracy, perhaps? Hmm.
I mean, it's not like you may have messed up by looking at a cached or non-refreshed copy of the page predating your comment and that you didn't double-check that because you'd seen what you wanted to see, is it?
[1] https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2024/09/16/calls_to_deport_elon_musk/#c_4931278
Re: Jellied anonymong..
I supposed you're going to suggest that They *had* removed it, but quickly put it back when you spotted and called out this "far-left" conspiracy to suppress your self-proclaimed "libertarian/conservative" freedom of speech?
I have no idea.. but how quickly the Anonymong leaps into action to attack someone they disagree with..
I mean, it's not like you may have messed up by looking at a cached or non-refreshed copy of the page predating your comment and that you didn't double-check that because you'd seen what you wanted to see, is it?
No idea what happened. But there was the original reply. Forum did the usual of updating with a message saying post had been posted and 10mins to update. Then I was going to add something, but clicking on that link did nothing. Post wasn't added to the 'my posts' section, even after a refresh. Neither was the 2nd post, nor the 3rd post where I created a new topic, and later withdrew that one because they eventually appeared.
This being an IT site, testing can be a GoodThing(tm). This being an IT site that sometimes veers towards politics, being suspcicious about shadow bannning can also be a GoodThing(tm). So hopefully it was just a bug, not a feature. A better feature might be to just ban anonymongs, however.
Re: Jellied anonymong..
> "Anonymong"
I don't get it, what's an "anonymong" supposed to be? Is it an insult or something?
> "A better feature might be to just ban anonymongs, however. something completely unrelated to distract from the fact I've made myself look like a bit of a paranoid tit!"
FTFY!
Re: Jellied anonymong..
I don't get it, what's an "anonymong" supposed to be? Is it an insult or something?
Only if you take it as such. Otherwise it's just pixels on a screen.
FTFY!
Nope, you've just demonstrated your habit of revising history in an attempt to score cheap points. And you still haven't worked out how to create an account. But given I previously said I withdrew one of the test posts I made, and could have done the same for the other, perhaps I just left it there as tit (or just troll) bait? You never were very good at spotting those..
Re: Jellied anonymong..
> [ Response not actually explaining what "anonymong" means ]
Bet you just made that one up, didn't you?
> Nope, you've just demonstrated your habit of revising history in an attempt to score cheap points.
Does it *really* count as "revising history" when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that it's being done in a deliberately open and blatant manner in order to mock you?
(Though to be fair, I suspect even *you* know that full well, whether or not it suits your dignity and self-importance to admit it!)
> And you still haven't worked out how to create an account.
And despite the fact that's the stock insult you use in repeated failed attempts to goad ACs, you still haven't realised that... one still needs to have created an account to post anonymously.
Dear, oh dear.
Re: Jellied conspiracy
El Reg is experiencing technical difficulties with the forums. I made a post earlier on another thread, and then I couldn't see it for at least 30 minutes. Previous to this, I had to refresh several times before I could get a forum page to load at all. It's no surprise that this moron is turning it into a conspiracy though.
Except he wasn't.
The info so far is that he voted for Trump in 2016, grew to dislike him, and was using any means to get revenge.
We do not have more info than that.
Yes, can confirm that's the story I heard on the BBC news (circa 1700 GMT) which reported that he'd voted for Trump on 2016 but become disillusioned with him.
Though I suspect that for the usual hyper-partisans even that means it's taken for granted that he's now a "Democrat"- however he actually fits inbetween the two parties- and they're to blame for everything he did.
Only go ahead ....
.... with the deportation if you can guarantee that he won't come to live in the UK instead! P-p-p-pleeeeze!