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The Clacktop: A Thinkpad Yoga with a mechanical keyboard

(2024/07/22)


A Thinkpad Yoga, modded with a mechanical keyboard, may serve as a wake-up call to both Lenovo and Framework.

If you break your laptop's keyboard for the second time in a row, most of us would be inclined to just get a different laptop. Unless, say, you're a student on a tight budget. Marcin Plaza is a student, but he's an intrepid one: he measured up his laptop and his mechanical keyboard, designed a new metal laptop case, got it fabricated and rebuilt the machine to have a built-in mechanical board. We're impressed.

His project just [1]showed up on Hackaday and we like it a lot. Plaza describes how he wore out the second keyboard in a row on his [2]Lenovo Yoga 730 laptop. This is a convertible laptop: its screen can fold all the way back to turn it into a tablet.

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What's more, his brother's identical model experienced the same failure. As Ian Fleming put it, "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action". In this case, we'd say that if there's an enemy, it's not Lenovo: it's the wretched trend for thin and light laptops, and once again we're put in mind of [7]Canadiangold 's [8]wisdom :

I don't WANT my laptop to be the Thinnest Model Yet.

I want a battery that will outlast the sun, a screen big enough to blind the person behind me, more USB slots than there are apple fanboys in the bay area, a fucking disc reader/writer.

P.S. I will pay extra for it to be heavy enough to bludgeon someone to death.

(We like his hashtag, as well: "#window shopping for computers and angry at the state of the industry" . Us too, CG, us too.)

The keyboard he used is from Redragon, and we think it's a [9]model K652 , which is described as "ultra-thin" – albeit if not by laptop standards. This quest for thinness means that although there are more robust machines than this, there simply isn't room to fit better-quality keyboards. This is even a key problem with the Framework range of modular laptops: even its [10]bigger 16 inch model is too thin to accomodate a keyboard with more than a couple of millimeters of key travel. (For USians, insert some very small fraction of an inch here, like 1/16 or so.)

This aging vulture is not alone in taking keyboards feel very seriously: [11]other vultures have written about this too. The comments often tell us to go and buy something else, but the point is there aren't any good options left on the market. Some companies do make chunkier laptops aimed at gamers, which means they need to be thicker to have space for a discrete GPU and its ancillary cooling. We took a look a the [12]Tuxedo Stellaris gen 4 a couple of years ago. The thing is that while it's got superb keyboard feel, it's got a terrible, cramped keyboard layout, and it lacks all the virtues laptops had as recently as the 20-teens: it has a very meagre selection of ports, and you can't remove and replace the battery.

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This vulture lives on an island, and therefore has to fly a lot. It's very handy to remove a portable's battery and put the bulky part of the machine into checked baggage. It also avoids the [14]spicy pillow problem. Once upon a time – oh, a whole decade ago – you could buy [15]laptops with two batteries , and hot-swap them for a whole day of autonomy. Now, tech has made more power-frugal processors to [16]deliver the same thing , but when that built-in battery fails and plumps up, the whole machine is destined to become e-waste.

We have great respect not merely for Plaza's modding skills, but also for the lengths he went to. He has [17]shared the plans if you fancy replicating his build. He's no stranger to taking on ambitious projects, as his [18]portfolio page shows. We suspect he is going to go far. ®

Get our [19]Tech Resources



[1] https://hackaday.com/2024/07/18/mechanical-keyboard-laptop-clacktop/

[2] https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd500187-product-overview-yoga-730-13ikb

[3] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/personaltech&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2Zp6CG5U7C0V72M0l2qCmKQAAAMo&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6rUk3YLsN0

[5] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/personaltech&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44Zp6CG5U7C0V72M0l2qCmKQAAAMo&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[6] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/personaltech&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33Zp6CG5U7C0V72M0l2qCmKQAAAMo&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[7] https://www.tumblr.com/canadiangold

[8] https://canadiangold.tumblr.com/post/675666527469568000/i-dont-want-my-laptop-to-be-the-thinnest-model

[9] https://www.redragonzone.com/collections/keyboard/products/redragon-k652-75-wireless-rgb-keyboard

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/21/framework_16in_laptop/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2015/06/27/lenovo_mulling_retro_thinkpad_redesign_with_return_to_old_styling/

[12] https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/08/tuxedo_stellaris_amd_gen_4/

[13] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/personaltech&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44Zp6CG5U7C0V72M0l2qCmKQAAAMo&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[14] https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/spicy_pillow

[15] https://web.archive.org/web/20240516131554/https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X240

[16] https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/21/lenovo_thinkpad_x13s_the_stealth/

[17] https://www.pcbway.com/project/shareproject/Mechanical_Keyboard_Laptop_940dff5e.html

[18] https://cise.ufl.edu/~marcinplaza/

[19] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Not Ian Fleming ... much older

GreyWolf

"As Ian Fleming put it, "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action"."

No, friend, this saying occurs in WE Johns, one of the Biggles books about World War I.

Re: Not Ian Fleming ... much older

Red Sceptic

Upvoted for Biggles reference.

Brilliant!

Will Godfrey

Where can I buy one... Oh!

Doctor Syntax

"the wretched trend for thin and light laptops"

Marketing's tendency to positive feedback loops. What was a good aspiration when specifying a replacement for an Osborne I becomes a trap once marketroids keep trying to outdo each other once thin enough has been reached.

Vometia has insomnia. Again.

The Osborne reference reminds me that I still have my c.1990ish Philips 286-based luggable; somewhere. Its built-in mono LCD is surely a contender for The Worst Screen Ever but actually I think the overall design is kinda cute. Now if only I could remember where I put it.

werdsmith

Brought back memories from a long time ago. A colleague drove across the country to a place I'd never heard of "Bagshot" to buy a used Osborne portable. Probably found it in the Exchange & Mart - the Ebay of its day.

I remember us all crowding round it when it arrived back in the office. I hankered after a Toshiba T3100, which I could never afford and when they eventually came up available for free I wasn't interested.

In those days any Enterprise computing seemed to have full travel keyboards.

Ken G

By the same people who make phones bigger and bigger.

Curiously, I watched a video yesterday

Neil Barnes

(okay, I was bored) reviewing a keyboard kit with, apparently, 'Thock' included. What was not included in the kit were either the keyswitches or the keycaps.

I'm obviously very old, but that doesn't seem to be a 'keyboard' kit.

Re: Curiously, I watched a video yesterday

richardcox13

The point is you choose the key switches and key caps. There is considerable difference between the IBM classic feel and one for fastest (gamer) response.

Re: Curiously, I watched a video yesterday

Neil Barnes

Well yes, so I understand. But I'd still expect more of a keyboard kit than a a case and a pcb.

gv

My Lenovo T61 with its glorious keyboard is still going strong (apart from the battery). Currently running MX Linux on it.

Snake

Exactly. Stop buying 'fake' Lenovos and expecting that 'thin and light' toy to actually have durability - buy a real Thinkpad and then remember to place a clause in your will to hand it down to the next generation.

Pete Smith 2

Same here. My Wife's Yoga 720 is on its 3rd keyboard, and my daughter had to return her newer model Yoga due to a failed keyboard.

Let's not even start on the stupid, custom 90 degree push button switches they use for the power. They break at the drop of a hat. We've now got to turn the laptop on using a pin into the emergency restart button inside the microphone hole. Once that button fails, the thing is scrap.

Heavy Enough to Bludgeon

richardcox13

> heavy enough to bludgeon someone to death

This is a good starting point for a keyboard on its own. Before considering any other parts.

No more slipping as soon as a key is pressed a little harder...

Re: Heavy Enough to Bludgeon

Anonymous Coward

Reminds me of my first experience of computers via an ASR-33 teletype ... If in a fit of temper you hit one of those keyboards it didn't break ... you did!

Re: Heavy Enough to Bludgeon

Andy The Hat

I'm sure I could do that with my Compaq AT keyboard ... if I could pick it up.

Please...Worry About Stuff That Matters!!!!

Anonymous Coward

My lovely mechanical keyboard on my lovely Packard Bell Force 4900 MM (Pentium 60MHz machine) was a fantastic IBM AT type keyboard, and it lasted from 1994 till 2014.

The keyboard in my lovely Acer Swift 1 lasted from May 2020 till it got nixed by crap (food? dust? hair?) in December 2022......so I got the keyboard panel replaced with a new Acer piece.

Bottom line........who in the world is bothered BY THE KEYBOARD?????

Not me.............I'm bothered BY WHAT I'M DOING WITH THE COMPUTER!!!!

OTOH... I wouldn't mind something laptop sized - sans keyboard & monitor.

Bruce Ordway

I've rarely use laptops as true portables or need the built in keyboards or monitors.

I just like the small footprint of a laptop in combination with external keyboard/mouse and dual monitors.

Easy to do work on and.. move as needed.

So... I'd rather have lots of USB ports instead to mix and match on the fly.

Re: OTOH... I wouldn't mind something laptop sized - sans keyboard & monitor.

Dave 126

Intel's NUC Mini, and various similar things from other vendors, might be an option. They actually have a smaller 'footprint' (depth x width) than a laptop, but they are invariably thicker - starting at around 4 cm. The total volume might be bigger than a laptop sans monitor, to improve the cooling.

Framework

John Robson

Whilst I agree that the obsession with thin has also had an impact here, I can imagine Framework welcoming a 3d printable case design to accommodate a full sized, and full travel keyboard - whilst I can see lenovo suing...

Blackjack

A decade ago? That's about the age of my current laptop. Guess my next machine will have to be a desktop.

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