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Oracle Java license teams set to begin targeting Oracle users who don't think they use Oracle

(2024/06/20)


Organizations that do not consider themselves Oracle customers, but who use Java, can expect a call from the Big Red in the next three to nine months, according to a software licensing specialist.

House of Brick, which has spent years advising clients on how to manage their commercial arrangements with Oracle, said it had noticed an uptick in organizations seeking advice after being contacted by the tech giant about their Java use.

"Even if you are not an Oracle customer, they are tracking product downloads and matching the IP addresses to your organization. Oracle has deployed a whole team of people in India that are contacting organizations worldwide with claims of non-compliant Java SE usage," the company said in a [1]blog , referring to the runtime environment.

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Big Red first introduced two new licensing models for its commercial Java platform, Standard Edition (Java SE), in April 2019 when it began charging license fees for previously free Java.

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In January, Oracle, which acquired Java with its buyout of Sun Microsystems in 2009, said it had introduced a new "simple, low-cost monthly” Java SE Universal Subscription in a phased-in replacement for its per user or per processor model.

Most organizations adapting to Oracle's new licensing terms for Java expect the per-employee subscription model to be two to five times more expensive than the legacy model, [5]Gartner estimated last year .

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While most Oracle and Java users have become aware of the changes, those who have never dealt with Oracle for their applications, database or middleware software might be new to the arrangement.

"They don't have a relationship with Oracle. But Oracle has tracked Java SE downloads to their company. And then Oracle approached them saying 'We see that you've been downloading our Java SE product, it requires a licence.' This might be an email coming from a person that has an audit or similar title in their signature," said Nathan Biggs, House of Brick CEO.

He said organizations that have never worked with Oracle might not understand its approach to commercial negotiations.

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"They start to freak out and they start to worry… they don't want to be out of compliance. Every customer we work with, earnestly wants to be in compliance with all of their licenses, and so they'll overshare information," he said.

For example, Oracle is likely to ask for the installation date and ask whether the customer also deploys on VMware.

But Oracle will be leading towards an "offer" to overlook earlier unlicensed software if they agree to sign up to the new subscription model, Biggs said.

Organizations should be careful before they take up the offer, he said. Users with legacy Oracle agreements face more than 100 percent — even 1,000 percent — cost increases when moving to the new terms. Bills going from tens of thousands of dollars to more than a million have been confirmed by multiple licensing specialists.

Biggs said organizations were also quickly uninstalling Oracle Java and using open-source alternatives for their runtime and development environments.

He said Oracle is entitled to ask for backdated payments for people already using Java since the paid-for deal was announced. But whether they should be forced to adopted the 2023 per employee arrangement is a moot point.

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To start with, Oracle will limit the back-payment to three years. But it will also try to charge users under the Universal pricing arrangement introduced in January 2023.

"This is absurd because the universal pricing has only been around for a year. We always then push back on Oracle," he said.

Biggs said Oracle would usually reduce the fee to just one year of the universal model, or they will do one year of Universal plus pricing at the legacy pricing for the other two years.

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[1] https://houseofbrick.com/blog/oracle-java-licensing-risks-2024/

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[8] https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/10/fortune_200_oracle_java_audit/

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/07/uk_cma_early_findings_microsoft_cloud_choice/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/03/vmware_broadcom_licence_portability_microsoft/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/29/riscv_messsaging_struggle/

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Simple solution

OrangeDog

This is why everyone I know switched to an OpenJDK distribution six years ago.

Re: Simple solution

Doctor Syntax

Judging by the report the problem might be people in your organisation that you don't know about. Best to run your own audit, just in case.

b0llchit

They effectively say:

I see you have downloaded some of our product. A shame when something would happen to your company. I'll send you a bill for the last three years. We'll send you a bigger bill next year too.

When will people learn not to play with these criminals lawyers.

nematoad

Yes, making you an offer you cannot refuse.

I seem to have heard of that way of doing business before.

Avoid Oracle if you can, they are the plague, not just like it.

Oracle

Ali Dodd

not much different from a loan shark/Drug dealer.

Re: Oracle

UCAP

Loan sharks are far more honest than Oracle.

Re: Oracle

Doctor Syntax

And they're cheaper.

A "special" kind of relationship ...

EricM

"They don't have a relationship with Oracle. But Oracle has tracked Java SE downloads to their company. "

Or so they might at least say...

Make sure you _really_ do not use Oracle Java - there is literally not a single reason not to run whatever Java stuff is needed on OpenJDK these days, which needs exactly zero licenses from Oracle - and then tell Oracle to get lost.

This is not to say that Oracle might not be trying to muddy the water by talking just about "Java" instead of their outragoulsly priced version of "Oracle-infested Java (TM)"

Re: A "special" kind of relationship ...

Dan 55

Businesses shouldn't be leaving this to chance really. The company should redirect java.com to a local page which tells them to go to this network drive for 6u45 and 8u202 and if they want anything newer then here's a list of OpenJDK providers.

Hello I'm Javid from Oracle...

xyz

I am seeing your IP of 127.0.0.1 and seeing you have downloaded the fabulous Java. Please send much monies to my account.

I am also seeing your computer has issues and would like to remote access to fix them.

Lol

perkele

So you download it, maybe test it, don't use it and Oracunts thinks you owe them money and sends demands for your obvious use straight away without evidence...?

Unintended...

ciaran

Its the automatic updater. That's clearly "using"...

seven of five

Almost. They'll also threaten to sue you into oblivion when you don't cough up a beeeeeeleeon doolars for the past century of java use.

not just normal downloads but probably automatic update checking too.

G2

i think they are not just tracking normal downloads, but also that automatic update check that is started daily / weekly in the background by pretty much ALL computers that have an Oracle JRE and/or JDK installed.

Even if the actual installer is not downloaded from their servers, the simple fact that the automated version checker sent a version query/ajax ping to their server is probably enough to tell them that you're using Oracle Java and which particular version you are using.

Short of being inside a walled garden / heavy firewalled network, that kind of update check is not usually blocked or considered malware by firewalls... after all, it's a "simple" version update notification check with just a few bytes transmitted from each side, right? (well, it used to be...)

How’s that going to go?

FirstTangoInParis

“ Oracle has deployed a whole team of people in India that are contacting organizations worldwide with claims of non-compliant Java SE usage”

Well best they be trained in people hanging up on them then. The scammers have given these teams such a bad reputation that Oracle would have been better off using same-country nationals, but then they can’t pay them such low wages.

There’s a reason that whenever I get a call from an 020 number I ignore it. It’s either a robot or a scammer.

Mess with them

MrGrumpy

I'm going download JavaSE, delete, download, delete, rinse and repeat, wait for my call, tell them to go and roger themselves.

Write once run everywhere

Locomotion69

Soon to replaced by

Used once - dumped everywhere

COONDOG MEMORY
(heard in Rutledge, Missouri, about eighteen years ago)

Now, this dog is for sale, and she can not only follow a trail twice as
old as the average dog can, but she's got a pretty good memory to boot.
For instance, last week this old boy who lives down the road from me, and
is forever stinkmouthing my hounds, brought some city fellow around to
try out ol' Sis here. So I turned her out south of the house and she made
two or three big swings back and forth across the edge of the woods, set
back her head, bayed a couple of times, cut straight through the woods,
come to a little clearing, jumped about three foot straight up in the air,
run to the other side, and commenced to letting out a racket like she had
something treed. We went over there with our flashlights and shone them
up in the tree but couldn't catch no shine offa coon's eyes, and my
neighbor sorta indicated that ol' Sis might be a little crazy, `cause she
stood right to the tree and kept singing up into it. So I pulled off my
coat and climbed up into the branches, and sure enough, there was a coon
skeleton wedged in between a couple of branches about twenty foot up.
Now as I was saying, she can follow a pretty old trail, but this fellow
was still calling her crazy or touched `cause she had hopped up in the
air while she was crossing the clearing, until I reminded him that the
Hawkins' had a fence across there about five years back. Now, this dog
is for sale.
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