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Post Office slapped down for late disclosure of documents in Horizon scandal inquiry

(2024/04/09)


Updated The Post Office Horizon inquiry may be forced to recall witnesses after the company delayed disclosing evidence – some relating to communications to and from former chief executive Paula Vennells.

Jason Beer KC, counsel to the inquiry, said the Post Office had disclosed thousands of documents just weeks before the inquiry reopened this week. Some were relevant to witnesses set to be called this week, some to individual and third-party communications requested in July last year, while some appeared as recently as last Friday (April 5).

Beer said the late disclosure represented an issue "which the inquiry has become extremely and unfortunately familiar with over the past three years."

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He said the response to the Section 21 notice was particularly concerning. From July last year, the inquiry requested files from Ernst and Young (EY), Deloitte, KPMG, and Linklaters, which had carried out reviews of the controversial Horizon computer system.

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The notice also requested correspondence with key individuals via their PAs, including Vennells, who has given up her CBE honor since the scandal reached wider public attention; Alice Perkins, former chairman of the Post Office; Alwen Lyons, Post Office company secretary; Angela Van Den Bogerd, former director; Mark Davis, former head of PR; Tim Parker, former chairman; and Susan Crichton, former general counsel.

"The issues that the Post Office's disclosure to this inquiry have presented have been much more than minor ad hoc or additional disclosure," Beer said. "In particular, the Post Office's Assurance Review of personal assistant emails and other inboxes of potential relevance, in response to the inquiry's section 21 notice of last year, is very concerning … it lists the number of senior key Post Office individuals; such individuals would undoubtedly communicate by their personal assistants."

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Since February 2, the Post Office has disclosed 73,720 documents to the inquiry, of which 67,210 documents might relate to hearings in Phases 5 and 6, which started today.

Despite such a volume of new documents so close to witness hearings, inquiry chairman Sir Wyn Williams said: "We're going to carry on. That is perhaps a bold thing to do, because it does mean that there may be occasions in which witnesses are giving evidence where the documents haven't caught up with the witnesses. That is a highly undesirable state of affairs. But that can be cured, albeit with some cost to the witness, by recalling them if necessary. The alternative is to have a substantial break and in my opinion … that is not desirable."

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The Post Office has been offered the opportunity to respond.

Horizon is an EPOS and backend finance system for thousands of Post Office branches around the UK, first implemented by ICL, a UK technology company later bought by Fujitsu. From 1999 until 2015, 736 local branch managers were wrongfully convicted of fraud when errors in the system were to blame.

The public inquiry into the scandal centers on the deployment of Fujitsu's bug-ridden Horizon accounting system, which made mistakes in calculating the finances of local Post Office branches. This destroyed the lives of many involved, leaving some bankrupt and others feeling suicidal, with several succeeding in ending their lives. Sixty people died before just seeing any sort of justice served. ®

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A Post Office spokesperson told The Register : "We are fully committed to supporting the inquiry to establish the truth and we have disclosed almost half a million documents to date, reflecting both the unprecedented scale of the issues in the scandal and our commitment to transparency. This follows searches of over 176 million documents, 230 physical locations and third-party sites, and across multiple systems. During the past six weeks, since the inquiry announced its current hearings timetable, we have disclosed the vast majority of documents required for those witnesses but regret a very small proportion of documents were not disclosed as early as all parties would have liked.

"The inquiry is examining issues that spanned more than two decades, including a lengthy period when Post Office was part of Royal Mail Group. Disclosure is therefore highly complex and we continue to do all we can to deliver continuous improvements and incorporate past learnings into the disclosure process to avoid the risk of delays to the inquiry's timetable."

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ShortLegs

You may wish to edit the article to reflect that whilst PV handed back her "CBE honor", she was later stripped of it,

Also, its an "Honour", not "honor"

De-Frocked

The Oncoming Scorn

The one thing I took away from Vennells over the weekend is she's apparently a ordained (part-time) vicar, her credibility for preaching & giving sermons on Christian values is now lower than whale shit dumped into the Challenger Deep.

I look forward to seeing this POS finding a new role as live in prison chaplain.

Re: De-Frocked

Anonymous Coward

She stopped being a vicar in 2021 according to this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56882496

That article notes that she had been working in the St. Albans diocese. The bishop's father had been a sub-postmaster.

This article:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67923190

claims that she had been considered to become Bishop of London (the third most senior post in the Church of England).

JessicaRabbit

Sounds like they were hoping they could delay the inquiry by submitting documents late.

Dan 55

Today was the day Alan Bates gave evidence, so it looks like they wanted to do that. The chair was having none of it though.

[1]Video here (starting from Alan Bates' appearance after the part of the inquiry dealing with late documents) .

[1] https://www.youtube.com/live/KbOa77iCpMk?t=3671

Vestas

I watched it.

The chair had to tell people not to applaud him at the conclusion of his evidence because "undoubtably witnesses who are less acceptable to you will be appearing & I don't want to have to sanction people for bad behaviour when they do".

There's prima facie evidence of a conspiracy amongst multiple POL staff/their counsel to pervert the course of justice (at the very least) over a period of years and its in emails the inquiry has.

This is England though so they will get away with it.

Edit - POL even tried to get their board members & officers additional criminal liability insurance VERBALLY with AIG to "avoid a paper trail". That gem came from their lawyers...

Doctor Syntax

I can think of a few judges who, had they been chairing the enquiry, might have locked someone up for a few days contempt of court to ensure it didn't happen again. The scandal has been going on for over 20 years and if the PO has anything to do with it, so will the enquiry.

I haven't been following the Beeb's live video feed but I have followed their ongoing reporting. It strikes me that Bates is an excellent witness with a full paper-trail. The PO should have realised years ago that they were in a hole and should have stopped digging.

perkele

The Post Office in its various forms has err form for the late delivery of items.

Junk mail still rushes through, but everything else.. some even get opened before delivery as an extra public service too. What convenience. Especially things like birthday cards. Never the brown envelopes (not those, MPs get them but not through the GPO).

"Sixty people died before just seeing any sort of justice served"

Pascal Monett

That is the point that should be relentlessy repeated.

This is not your run-of-the-mill failed Government IT operation where the higher-ups get their honours and move on, and the public pays the bill and shuts up.

No, this is an abject failure of government where the higher-ups literally walked on the corpses of honest people just trying to do their job for Queen and Country.

The fallout on this should be ruthless and profound. There is no excuse for the Old Boy's Club here.

Re: "Sixty people died before just seeing any sort of justice served"

Doctor Syntax

It's interesting that bates is, to some extent, suggesting that ministers and even Vennells may have been briefed to push him away and lied to by their staff: the big organisation reality distortion field writ large.

Re: "Sixty people died before just seeing any sort of justice served"

Vestas

The inquiry has covert recordings of people in "Project Sparrow" discussing keeping information from Vennels.

The Most Reverend Vennels

CorwinX

Most witneses to the Enquiry testify for a day or part of one, on a very few ocassions recalled later. Rev. Vennels is scheduled for a full three days grilling (22nd-24th May).

She'd better hope her professed God is on her side because no-one else is going to show her any mercy. I hope the police can lock her up for previous lies to courts and public.

If that sounds harsh - there's plenty of evidence come to light that she knew damn well that Horizon couldn't be relied on to be accurate and still went ahead and had people's lives ruined based on lies and misinformation.

Some effing Christian spirit!

Anonymous Coward

It's a database on a database server or whatever. Who on this entire planet that knows even limited things about IT knows that with the admin password you can do what you want? The mere concept that couldn't happen is stupid.

Why...

Bloodbeastterror

... is Paula Vennells still walking the streets? I hope that this changes sooner rather than later but, as already commented, this is England and we have a poor record of banging up even the vilest criminals if they have the right connections in high places.

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