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Justice Dept reportedly starts criminal probe into Boeing door bolt incident

(2024/03/11)


Alaska Airlines is reportedly cooperating on a US Department of Justice (DoJ) criminal investigation into Boeing regarding an incident which saw an aircraft plug blow out of a 737 MAX 9 mid-flight in January.

"In an event like this, it's normal for the DoJ to be conducting an investigation. We are fully cooperating and do not believe we are a target of the investigation," Alaska Airlines [1]told Reuters.

The Register asked Boeing to comment but it refused and Alaska Airlines reiterated the statement above.

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The [3]Wall Street Journal reported at the weekend that the DoJ had contacted some passengers and crew regarding the incident and had already interviewed pilots and flight attendants on the flight.

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Some passengers on the [6]eventful January flight from Portland to Ontario were reportedly notified that they are potential victims of crime.

Part of what is under question is whether Boeing complied with a [7]2021 settlement regarding two fatal 737 MAX crashes that occurred in 2018 and 2019 and killed 346 people. Boeing was found at fault for how it communicated information about the aircraft's control system and was required to pay $2.6 billion in penalties and compensation, in addition to making some changes.

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The major error in those two incidents was the ability of the airplane’s Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) to override pilot input. After the crashes, [9]reports emerged that pilots were not properly trained on MCAS or how to safely disable it. Boeing was noted in the investigation to have misled the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regarding how many training hours a pilot would need to fly the 737 MAX.

[10]Boeing paper trail goes cold over door plug blowout

[11]Boeing-backed air taxi upstart Wisk plans to fly you across town at UberX prices by 2030

[12]It is a bird, a plane or a Chinese spy balloon? None of the above

[13]You could have heard a pin drop: Virgin Galactic reports itself to the FAA

Last week the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) provided [14]senate testimony regarding the January 5 2024 Alaska Airlines door blowout event. At the time, the organization's safety board chair Jennifer Homendy expressed a concern that a DoJ investigation could make one carried out by the NTSB more difficult.

"We don't want to tell any other agency what they should or should not do. Where it becomes a concern for us is when employees and others don't feel safe to speak to us," explained Homendy.

NTSB preliminary investigations point to [15]missing bolts as the cause of the incident, but according to Homendy, Boeing had not provided documents and information related to "opening, closing, and removal of the door and the team that does that work at the Renton facility," even two months after the incident.

In response Boeing asserted that it had provided employee names, including door specialists, to the NTSB early in the investigation and handed over a full list of the 737 door team in a more recent request.

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The company has claimed it believes the pertinent documentation was never made.

"With respect to documentation, if the door plug removal was undocumented there would be no documentation to share," [17]added the aerospace giant.

Naptime or blame it on comms?

Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee [18]concluded [PDF] late last month that an Airbus A320 flying from Kendari, Indonesia to Jakarta on a red eye on 25 January veered off course when the two pilots manning the aircraft both fell asleep.

The pilot in command had asked his copilot for permission to rest, and after around 90 minutes, the second-in-command inadvertently fell asleep. The duo overlapped in their naps by 28 minutes.

Subsequently the aircraft missed its destination, causing air control to attempt to contact the plane.

The pilot-in-command eventually woke up and blamed the problem on "radio communication" that had been resolved before landing uneventfully at Jakarta.

The airline, Batik Air, has suspended both pilots. Batik Air is the full service arm of Lion Air. Lion Air is the airline involved in the 2018 Boeing 737 MAX 8 crash.

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[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-justice-department-opens-criminal-investigation-alaska-airlines-blowout-wsj-2024-03-09/

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[3] https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/justice-department-opens-probe-interviews-crew-in-alaska-airlines-blowout-d4cdfa6d

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[6] https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/08/boeing_737_max_9_airplanes/

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/08/boeing_737_charges/

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[9] https://www.theregister.com/2019/05/20/737_max_flight_simulators_not_accurate_report/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/07/ntsb_boeing_door_plug/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/22/wisk_regulatory_challenges/

[12] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/26/norad_scramb/

[13] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/06/virgin_galactic_report_faa/

[14] https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/07/ntsb_boeing_door_plug/

[15] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/07/alaska_airlines_doordropping_flight_lost_cvr/

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[17] https://www.boeing.com/737-9-updates#updates

[18] https://knkt.go.id/Repo/Files/Laporan/Penerbangan/2024/KNKT.24.01.02.04-Preliminary-Report.pdf

[19] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



And another one today

cyberdemon

[1]787 Dreamliner experiences severe mid-flight "wobble", causing head injuries as passengers hit the ceiling

Meanwhile [2]the UFO Union are on strike

Not a good time for international travel, I do wonder WTF is going on

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68488418

[2] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-lufthansa-faces-fresh-strike-from-different-union/a-68481778

Re: And another one today

Eclectic Man

If God had meant us to fly, He would never have given us the railways.

Re: And another one today

aerogems

Just so long as I'm not using my legs like some kind of sucker.

Re: And another one today

abend0c4

I suppose you could view slam-door aeroplanes as an homage.

Re: And another one today

Vulch

Or 97 horsepower omnibuses.

Re: And another one today

rcxb

Mule-drawn canal barges are the epitome of transportation.

Re: And another one today

David Hicklin

One reason you should always leave your seatbelt on in flight unless you really have to leave your seat

Inventor of the Marmite Laser

Hopefully Boeing haven't designed any jail doors.

Anonymous Coward

Someone might be hoping Boeing did make their cell doors

aerogems

John Oliver did a good piece on the rise and fall of Boeing two weeks ago. It's worth a watch. Short version: Aggressive cost cutting. Who knew that gutting quality control would affect, you know, quality!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc

Boris the Cockroach

What makes it worse is that if companies like boing demand our paperwork and theres a missing full stop at the end of a sentence on the certificate, they'll go full anal and ream us out doing a full 100% trawl through our work and paperwork.

Where as their employees leave out door bolts and they go 'meh.... could happen to anyone'

Yet Another Anonymous coward

Or even worse. Employees knew they would get reamed out for bad paperwork - so they found a way of doing the work which wouldn't generate any paperwork. Including paperwork saying "did you put the bolts back in?"

Re: Airlines Being The Safest Form Of Transportation

ldo

I read an article in New Scientist many years ago, which said that airlines are only the safest if you measure by passenger deaths per unit distance travelled (10× safer than cars by this criterion). If you go by passengers deaths per unit time spent travelling, then they are on a par with cars. And if you measure by deaths per journey , then they are 10× more dangerous than cars.

Never taunt the Feds

ecofeco

FAA: "Give us all you records"

Boeing: "Maybe, maybe not."

DOJ: "LOL wut?"

Re: Never taunt the Feds

Anonymous Coward

State owned ferry company here killed a passenger when they drove a ferry into an island in the middle of the night because the driver was busy 'splicing the mainbrace' with the first mate.

The union advised the crew not to speak to the enquiry and the ferry company refused to cooperate so the safety agency just shrugged

"if the door plug removal was undocumented"

Pascal Monett

If it was undocumented, then someone needs a good whipping. NOTHING concerning airplane maintenance should be undocumented.

Lusers learning curve appears to be fractal