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Updates are plenty but fans are few in Windows 11 land

(2024/03/04)


Microsoft is adding fresh features to Windows 11 and preparing to fling yet more update nagware at Windows 10 users in the hope that a bigger wave will migrate to the latest - but not necessarily the greatest - OS.

The most recent figures from [1]Statcounter show that many users continue to steer clear of Microsoft's flagship operating system. Usage barely changed between January and February 2024. In fact, its predecessor, Windows 10, registered a larger upwards tick, although the amount – less than 1 percent – is still in the realm of a rounding error.

Microsoft has yet to publish official statistics, but alarm bells must be ringing in Redmond that with less than 18 months until the retirement of Windows 10, it remains comfortably ahead of Windows 11 in market share.

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Microsoft is currently rolling out the latest Windows 11 update – dubbed "Moment 5" – to users who have checked the "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" option in Windows Update.

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Considering Microsoft's investment in artificial intelligence services, [5]Copilot is front and center . As well as additional skills to control the settings of a Windows 11 device, third-party plugins for services such as OpenTable have been added, with Shopify, Klarna, and Kayak due over the coming month.

Keeping track of all the ways Copilot is being crammed into Microsoft's line-up is becoming a [6]full time job . The company also [7]announced a public preview of Copilot for Finance last week, aimed at financial professionals looking to automate more tasks.

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Companies would therefore be forgiven for taking a step back until the Copilot dust has settled - something [9]analysts have advised .

[10]Incoming wave of AI is making buying PCs riskier for businesses

[11]Microsoft's February Windows 11 security update unravels at 96% for some users

[12]Dell promises 'every PC is going to be an AI PC' whether you like it or not

[13]Musk 'texts' Nadella about Windows 11's demands for a Microsoft account

Elsewhere in the update, the Photo App got [14]Generative Erase functionality, after it was earlier seeded with Windows Insiders, and there was preview of a service to remove awkward silences in Clipchamp videos.

Enterprise users also saw a merging of Windows Update for Business and Autopatch.

It is unlikely that, by itself, the latest Windows 11 23H2 update will cause users to jump from Windows 10. Certainly not while their old hardware continues to perform more than adequately, and Windows 11 lacks a killer feature to justify purchasing new equipment. Copilot remains a technology to keep an eye on, but will not necessarily loosen the purse strings yet.

Not that Microsoft has any intention of giving up [15]encouraging users to make the move to Windows 11. As well as updating its flagship operating system, the company [16]warned users: "If your organization relies on Microsoft to manage Windows updates, you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon."

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A user interface now invites users on business devices – for example, Windows 10 Pro and Pro Workstation – to "Upgrade for free to the latest Windows 11." You lucky, lucky people.

The invitation will only appear on devices not managed by IT departments. ®

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[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide

[2] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2ZeZSmE-sXZ8HhC9tuKCpfAAAAYE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[3] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZeZSmE-sXZ8HhC9tuKCpfAAAAYE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[4] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33ZeZSmE-sXZ8HhC9tuKCpfAAAAYE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[5] https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2024/02/29/microsoft-copilot-improvements-for-windows-11/

[6] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/09/making_sense_of_microsoft_copilot/

[7] https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2024/02/29/introducing-microsoft-copilot-for-finance-the-newest-copilot-offering-in-microsoft-365-designed-to-transform-modern-finance/

[8] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZeZSmE-sXZ8HhC9tuKCpfAAAAYE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/09/making_sense_of_microsoft_copilot/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/01/incoming_wave_of_ai_pcs/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/27/windows_11_installation_problems/

[12] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/26/dell_ai_pc/

[13] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/26/musk_windows_11_account/

[14] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/23/microsoft_adds_more_ai_to_windows/

[15] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/expanding-invitations-to-move-to-windows-11-to-more-people/ba-p/4069463

[16] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/release-health/windows-message-center#3238

[17] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33ZeZSmE-sXZ8HhC9tuKCpfAAAAYE&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[18] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Glad I won't be nagged

navarac

.....on my "non-Windows" OS. Another instance of imposed advert or malware by Microsoft.

Anonymous Coward

We seem to have no choice but to switch from Microsoft stuff to Linux in our system product deliveries soon despite the incredible organizational inertia and the initially doubled support costs.

With enough thrust even a pig can fly - and keep flying for years without a boot providing extra thrust - and Windows Server 2016 / Windows 10 systems have done so - somehow, some way - like numerous generations of Microsoft OSes going back to the NT 3.51 days, apparently. The amount of time and money wasted over the years to keep things stable must be incredible, but even the Microsoft "experts" can no longer keep this pile of shit upright... yes, they used to be actual experts able to summon and control Cthulhu with eldritch scripts and GPOs and registry keys only mentioned in an archive.org copy of a post made in 2007 on a long-lost Microsoft blog, but those experts have retired or moved on during the pandemic - and the new generation does not have the needed skills or software archaeology mindset to support this representative sample of the last 25 years of current and obsoleted Microsoft technologies and solutions that were adopted over the years (if I understand, leaning into the domain stuff was a huge mistake as it keeps changing and especially expanding so much). They might possibly have some certificates.

Of course, with Linux, we would now have *two* problems, with the old systems still needing support and even upgrades for years.

I really need to get out of here while I still can.

simonlb

"updating its flagship operating system"

Flagship? I'm confused now as that usually implies there are alternatives from the same vendor. Where can I try out the mediocre OS or even the really, really shit one?

Bring back 3.11

Tron

quote: to users who have checked the "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" option in Windows Update.

Both of them.

I submit that uptake will be inversely proportional to Copilot's extension.

Autopatch. Because everyone wants MS to do stuff to their system automatically, right?

Eventually they will remove the hundred most hated new features and call it Windows 12.

That's the only thing left to like about MS - their use of simple numbers for releases. Instead of names like Furtive Frog and Wanking Wallaby. I think the names are the thing I hate most about other OSs.

Re: Bring back 3.11

VicMortimer

Ubuntu has the best OS names. I do wish Wanking Wallaby was a real one.

And... you don't have to use the names if you don't want. Ubuntu version numbers are MUCH better than MicroSloth's, being just a year and a month.

And for the record, Windoze 3.x were some of the worst releases ever. The IRQ nonsense alone was enough to make me want to throw those garbage computers through a wall. And the user interface... ugh. Compared to the Mac back then it was astonishing how incredibly bad it was.

Re: Bring back 3.11

h0bbes

I agree. Mac OS prior to System 8 had a very intuitive and polished interface compared to Windows 3.x. But compared to Windows 11, the Windows 3.x interface is way better than the steaming pile of pig manure that we have to put up with.

Re: Bring back 3.11

Gavin Jamie

I alway wanted Manic Mynah

Re: Bring back 3.11

Paul Crawford

But only on Mondays

Ilgaz

The first thing I noticed was VLC MSI package which was signed was detected as "dangerous". Please note, they signed the package. Normally many GPL licensed software refuses to sign their package as it is expensive and means nothing security wise. I think VideoLan guys made an exception so Windows doesn't alert non technical users.

I have sent feedback to Ms. At least they seem to have got rid of template monkey spammers.

Nothing good can come from such a incompetent company. It is completely impossible to know how many VLC installs out there. It is cURL level popular. Unknown software.

VicMortimer

[1]How to Disable Windows 11 Copilot Through Registry File or Group Policy Editor

Just thought I'd toss that up in case you didn't already know how to block that garbage.

[1] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-disable-copilot-windows-11/

Pascal Monett

Thanks for the tip.

Hope that doesn't get reversed by Redmond !

Zibob

Waits for patch Tuesday for impact.

After eleven - Mint

Luke Worm

A few weeks ago I deleted Windows 11 from my dualboot home PC, and totally deleted the Windows partition.

Now very happy running only Linux Mint on it.

"you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

Mike 137

Thanks a bundle -- not!

I'm frequently driven wild by enforced changes I haven't ask for, just as I've got used to the previous load of bull. I can't for the life of me understand why dumping users on a continuous learning curve is considered good practice (unless of course it's just down to the arrogance of the self-professed "innovative" devs and their management). It used to be considered bad business to piss off one's customers, but that seems to have gone by the board quite some time back.

I just hope my devices aren't 'eligible'.

We only just got Windows 10 settled....

danielfgom

As an IT Technician/Sysadmin getting everything moved to Windows 10 was a major pain. Especially managing updates for everyone so that drivers wouldn't be broken and production machines stop working. But after so many years it's finally settled and user have only just gotten used to how Windows 10 looks and works, and now you expect us to do it all over again onto 11??!! F* off!! No chance! This sh!t needs to keep doing duty for at least another 5 years before we even entertain the idea of maybe moving to Windows 11....MS are seriously out of touch with how Windows is used in small/medium enterprise....

Not to mention millions of home users who also can't be bothered to learn something new. so many of them already freaked out when they booted their pc one day and Windows 7 was gone only to be greeted by Windows 10....

Re: MS are seriously out of touch with how Windows is used in small/medium enterprise

Pascal Monett

No, it is you who are seriously out of touch with how Borkzilla deems you should be running your IT infrastructure.

Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

veti

Windows 7 was released in 2009. Are you seriously saying you can't or won't manage more than one update per decade?

Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

Jou (Mxyzptlk)

Are you seriously twisting an argument when someone has to manage possibly thousands of users into a personal " you can't"?

No fish for you, rather the big axe to filet you.

Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

Jou (Mxyzptlk)

less advertising, less nagging, less rude, less mouseclicks to do the same as before. And where is "SendTo" and "refresh" in the new menu? Ah, in the old "more options" menu. More mouse clicks for no good reason.

Taskbar which forcibly wastes space unless you use auto-hide - yes, Windows 11 is the first WIndows since Windows 95 where I enjoy Taskbar-Auto-Hide.

And now copilot? One more feature to remove via

Get-AppxPackage | Out-GridView -Title "Select AppX Packages to remove" -PassThru | Remove-AppxPackage -AllUsers

etc etc

Re: Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

The Oncoming Scorn

I've moved it to its traditional home on the left.

Re: Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

David 132

One of my personal devices is on Windows 11 and I make a point of unquestioningly swallowing the latest updates for it - not out of any masochism, but just because if I'm going to be commenting on it, I should at least have real experience of it. That's not a dig at anyone here by the way, it's just setting context for the next part of my comment.

Anyway, two days ago it got the update that brought the Copilot icon to the taskbar.

In a spirit of open-mindedness, I tried it out with a random example. "Create me a picture of a snowscape in the style of Norman Rockwell".

A short metaphorical click-whirr, sure-thing-I'm-Eddie-the-shipboard-computer later...

"I can't create images unless you're signed in with a Microsoft account."

Welp. So much for that. I've previously here used the phrase "over my dead body" in regard to signing in with a Microsoft account, so... t'ain't happening. Get-AppxPackage Remove-AppxPackage it is, then!

Moment?

anthonyhegedus

What a stupid naming system? Moment 5?! Bollocks to that.

Perhaps if they starting concentrating on quality rather than change the way things work every few months, people would start to have some respect for them.

Re: Moment?

The Oncoming Scorn

GENERAL: The Moment is installed.

ANDROGAR: I don't understand. What is the Moment? I've never heard of it.

GENERAL: The memory eater. The final work of the ancients of Microsoft, a piece of bloatware so powerful, the operating system became sentient. According to legend... it developed a conscience.

ANDROGAR: And we've never used it?

GENERAL: Why would you use a tool capable of ultimate mass surveillance when it can stand in judgment of your browser history?

h0bbes

Windows has been transformed from an operating system to an advertising platform. What was once the responsibility of software engineers to maintain is now the purview of Marketing.

Windows 11 is never getting installed

Anonymous Cowerd

It doesn't work with my i7-7700.

Linux next.

MS is like a certain candiate for POTUS

Anonymous Coward

Gradually losing its marbles and with it the plot.

With him wanting to become a dictator on day 1... much like MS is now and like MS wants to foist a whole load of unwanted and unneeded 'features' on us.

When will SatNad be applying for membership of Mar-a-lardo?

Seriously MS, you are driving users away. Once they go to Linux or MacOS, you have mostly lost them forever.

Just stop adding all this AI crap. What percentage of users have asked for it? Is it about 5%? If not then why the hell are you FSCKing with it?

I went to Linux last year and don't regret it.

At least I'm spared the BSOD that so many users are experiencing with the last patch Tuesday fiasco as reported here

https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/27/windows_11_installation_problems/?td=readmore

can stick your AI where the sun doesn't shine!

Splurg The Barbarian

I have no intention of updating to Windows 10, having managed to get Enterprise licence for my home device, so no data being transferred to MS, I'm more than happy with my device.

Win 11 in my experience is a dreadful experience l, with a poor UI and too much insistence on trying to ram "sharing" and "collaboration" into the OS. Couldn't give a flying deck about it, I just want a conduit between me and the hardware that runs all my hardware as it should.

Also why do these companies think sticking AI into everything makes folk want their product? I have a brain and can write, my own reports, I like having photos that go slightly wrong as it is a genuine snapshot of live etc. More than happy not to have if forced on me tha knyou very much.

Re: can stick your AI where the sun doesn't shine!

pPPPP

Indeed. Why can't it just operate the system?

I don't need new features...

Alien Doctor 1.1

I require fewer features and bloat as I only use it for certain games provided by the brilliant GOG.

What are these adverts of which you speak?

LenG

With pi-hole on my DNS and ublock or similar on my browser I virtually never see adverts except when I start amazon without a query.

As for the interface, Classic Start Menu keeps my system effectively unchanged over Windoze version updates.

My one regret is that so many apps have gone the way of android using odd meaningless glyphs in random positions. Bring back CUA!!

I even like titlebars which change colour to highlight the window with focus.

PS: There is a lot to be said for focus follows mouse, with or without autoraise as you prefer.

"Copilot remains a technology to keep an eye on"

Pascal Monett

Yes, indeed. Any reincarnation of Clippy needs to be erased, preferably with a flamethrower.

There is nothing AI from Brokzilla that can benefit anyone but Borkzilla.

No thanks.

depereo

Still haven't decided if the living room PC is going to Fedora or Ubuntu from windows 10, but now that our games run perfectly well via proton it's sure as heck not going to some (even worse) ai/spyware nonsense with 11.

Anonymous Coward

Too many perfectly functional machines being forcibly "eol'd" -- the overhead both financially and environmentally should be a crime in itself.

Too much AI without enough control - and too much uncontrolled data sharing.

Linux (and other OSes that don't have this requirement) at least still gives you the control and the choice.

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But it's very funny -- did you ever try buying them without money?
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