Microsoft might have just pulled support for very old PCs in Windows 11 24H2
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2024/02/13/microsoft_might_have_just_pulled/
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The [1]instruction in question is POPCNT , which first turned up in Intel Core processors toward the end of 2008 as part of the SSE4.2 instruction set extension and AMD's Barcelona architecture in 2007.
POPCNT counts the number of bits in a machine word that have been set (or different from zero.) You might see it in cryptography and it has been lurking in CPU architectures for years, pre-dating Intel and AMD's implementation by decades.
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Its use here means that if your CPU is 15 years old – or older – there is every chance that the next major release of Windows 11, expected to be 24H2, won't boot. However, to put this in context, the instruction arrived in the first generation of Core i5 and i7 processors, which used the Nehalem microarchitecture.
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The infamous [5]Windows 11 hardware compatibility list excludes pretty much anything earlier than eighth-generation Intel chips, so the discovery is unlikely to have much in the way of mainstream impact. However, customers using workarounds to dodge the Windows 11 hardware check would do well to ensure their hardware is not too old before attempting an install.
Then again, running Microsoft's latest OS on hardware more than a decade old is probably likely being done by enthusiasts than an ordinary users.
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The report of the requirement, discovered by X user @TheBobPony in recent Windows 11 24H2 builds, comes a month after some Windows 10 users found themselves [7]unable to open some Windows apps following an update.
[8]Microsoft's Notepad goes from simple text editor to Copilot conspirator
[9]Closure of Windows 10 upgrade path still catching users by surprise
[10]Microsoft embraces its inner penguin as sudo sneaks into Windows 11
[11]Windows 11 24H2 is coming so we can all shut up about Windows 12 for another year
Some users speculated that a Microsoft engineer had accidentally enabled some newer CPU instructions during compilation, effectively dropping support for several older processors.
The same thing might have happened this time, although it would seem reasonable for Microsoft not to bother with CPUs that are not on the Windows 11 hardware requirements list. Whether that hardware requirements list is reasonable is, however, a whole different discussion.
We contacted the company to ask and will update this article should it respond.
In the meantime, the latest finding is a reminder that even Microsoft – famed for backward compatibility and keeping old kit going – is getting serious regarding hardware requirements. ®
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[1] https://twitter.com/TheBobPony/status/1756771051634135277
[2] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2ZcugOKkj@KBlRikOhxKijwAAAQA&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0
[3] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZcugOKkj@KBlRikOhxKijwAAAQA&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0
[4] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33ZcugOKkj@KBlRikOhxKijwAAAQA&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0
[5] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors
[6] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZcugOKkj@KBlRikOhxKijwAAAQA&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0
[7] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/01/windows_10_users_errors_hardware/
[8] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/09/copilot_notepad/
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/09/windows_10_upgrade_closure/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/08/windows_11_sudo/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/02/windows_12_windows_11_24h2/
[12] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/
Re: Linux's moment
If the target were not constantly moving, Linux would ALREADY have a REAL working Wine implementation that was 100% compatible, and SAMBA networking that had all of the Windows features, and an ENTIRE userbase of former Windows users giving the finger to Micros~1.
Unfortunately NOT the case. Instead, Micros~1 gives the FINGER to the CUSTOMERS, tells us we MUST COMPLY, and SETS ALL OF THE RULES.
Re: Linux's moment
No, the best way to use Linux is without WINE. Need Accounts or Payroll that's only on Windows? Use a VM. MS on Windows 10 & Win11 recommends the SAME VM as Linux commonly uses for all those XP or Win7 or 32 bit programs that won't run on Win10 or Win11
"famed for backward compatibility and keeping old kit going"
Certainly not the case with their driver model. It's sufficiently different in every version of Windoze to prevent old peripherals being ported, but there seems no necessity for this.
What?
Windows Vista drivers powering printers, webcams, game controllers, scanners and many other peripherals still in fact work on Windows 11 without any modifications to the drivers themselves. You do in some cases have to enable compatibility options and disable Credential Guard, HVCI and VSM, and that will degrade system security back to the inferior models provided by those older releases, but that is only a small price to pay. For those who want more security, Microsoft also offers replacement generic drivers providing core functionality for a large number of old peripherals using standardised interfaces (e.g. UVC for webcams, IPP or PS class for printers). In the case of printers, Windows maintained official support for old fashioned NT 4.0 kernel-mode drivers all the way through to Windows 10 (provided you were working with a 32-bit install) which is an unparalleled level of backwards compatibility.
They even kept component driver compatibility between releases if you've got working Windows 7 drivers for old network and sound cards. For graphics cards, a WDDM 2.0 driver designed for Windows 10 will "just work" on Windows 11, keeping very old NVIDIA cards working long beyond their supported lifecycles, even if there's no officially supported motherboard/CPU combo for it. For example: An NVIDIA GTX 480 card from 2010 still technically works on Windows 11 even though you're unlikely to be able to get it to function properly on modern UEFI-only hardware due to the old-fashioned BIOS requirement needed to initialise it.
I think what Microsoft does when it comes to hardware compatibility is more than fair, with decades-old stuff still working just fine.
POPCNT
missing a "U" in there, surely ?
Re: POPCNT
Shirley screams from the back row "A *SEXIST* would say!!!" [sorta like Greg Gutfeld after making a similar joke]
Then again, running Microsoft's latest OS on hardware more than a decade old is probably likely being done by enthusiasts masochists than an ordinary users.
Fixed it for you...
What's the value of Win11
Win11 is doing far less well than Win10 dis at this stage.
Too many more restrictions
Little or no advantages.
Can't run on quite decent PCs
Linux's moment
^ That's it, really