News: 1705513510

  ARM Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life (Terry Pratchett, Jingo)

Chip wars could lead to oversupply as China increases domestic capacity

(2024/01/17)


China’s chip manufacturing capacity is expected to more than double within the next 5 to 7 years, according to TrendForce, and this could lead to a market oversupply that would spell trouble for semiconductor companies elsewhere.

While imports of semiconductors into China were down 10.8 percent in volume over the last year, as [1]reported this week , Beijing is looking to ramp up its own internal production in order to cut its reliance on foreign chips. Washington’s policy of using trade restrictions to try and halt China’s tech progress could therefore be about to backfire.

According to [2]TrendForce , China currently has 44 wafer fabrication plants, with 25 of these producing 12in wafers, 15 being 8in facilities, plus a further 4 producing 6in wafers.

[3]

The Taiwanese research outfit claims that a further 22 fabs are already under construction in the country, with 15 of these to be 12in facilities and 8 set to produce 8in wafers. There are also a further 10 fabs planned, bringing the total to 32 large-scale wafer fabs, all of which are set to focus on making chips with mature production node processes, it said.

[4]

[5]

These mature production processes (typically meaning 28nm or above) have long been left behind by fabrication plants making advanced semiconductors such as the latest processors, but are still widely used to produce chips for applications such as household appliances and the automotive industry.

TrendForce claimed that its analysis of the production facilities in China suggests that 60 percent of the expected additional capacity could come online within the next 3 years, possibly as early as 2026.

[6]

That could potentially spell trouble if Chinese chipmakers want to use their increased production capacity to sell into the wider global market, as well as serving the huge domestic demand - China was said to be consuming [7]more than 50 per cent of all semiconductors made worldwide a few years back.

With China’s mature process capacity expected by Trendforce to rise from 29 percent to 33 percent of global capacity by 2027, the company warns that this could potentially see a flood of chips coming onto the global market and lead to a price war.

This would be good news for customers of those commodity chips, at least to start with. But the response from semiconductor companies in other countries would likely be to cut their losses and stop making such chips and move to more profitable products instead.

[8]

This assumes, of course, that buyers would be happy to source semiconductors from China, amid the current atmosphere of suspicion over security risks. As Richard Gordon, former practice vice president for semiconductors at Gartner [9]told us last year: "If China becomes a dominant player in legacy semiconductors, would you have them as a second source if the supply could be cut off without warning?"

[10]Nokia walks the walk about its RAN to play on Uncle Sam’s China fears

[11]The chips are down in China as imports see largest ever drop

[12]Apple claims top spot in global smartphone market for first time

[13]Europe benched in high tech 'Champions League' says ASML

In China itself, state-owned media was clear that the Biden administration’s chip wars would only strengthen the country and boost its efforts for technological self-sufficiency.

The Global Times, a newspaper said to be under the auspices of the ruling Communist Party, said in an [14]editorial that China's chip self-sufficiency rate may reach 70 percent by 2025.

The country has already made progress on low-end chips, it states, and claims that the technological gap between China and Western chipmakers is narrowing for more advanced silicon such as NAND flash and DRAM.

“Washington's ill-intentioned chip war will further increase China's chip self-sufficiency rate, encourage China to accelerate independent innovation, and further enhance our chip strength,” it concluded. ®

Get our [15]Tech Resources



[1] https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/16/china_chip_imports_fall/

[2] https://www.trendforce.com/

[3] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2ZahcFM0SVtuT7XcQwnU52QAAAQI&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[4] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZahcFM0SVtuT7XcQwnU52QAAAQI&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[5] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33ZahcFM0SVtuT7XcQwnU52QAAAQI&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[6] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZahcFM0SVtuT7XcQwnU52QAAAQI&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2019/04/10/china_sold_almost_100_billion_worth_of_semiconductors_in_2018/

[8] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/systems&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33ZahcFM0SVtuT7XcQwnU52QAAAQI&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[9] https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/04/china_chip_strategy/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/17/nokia_us_sales_list/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/16/china_chip_imports_fall/

[12] https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/16/apple_tops_smartphone_market/

[13] https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/16/eu_champions_league_asml/

[14] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202401/1305252.shtml

[15] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Graphics cards?

David Roberts

Will there be a price war on graphics cards?

Thought not.

Re: Graphics cards?

Lurko

Unlikely, because good GPU's are reliant on much closer to cutting edge technology. Even something like a three and half year old RX6600 was built using 7nm. And producing a few demo chips for a phone with a vast bin rate is not the same as producing advanced GPU and AI processors.

China of course wants to build such capability but even if they can that's some way away, and is unlikely to result in new GPUs. All Chinese capacity will be hoovered up the country's demand for AI processing power, to help the party find new ways of monitoring and oppressing their own population.

A comparison

DoctorNine

Nominally adequate is absolutely fine for some things, but not others. I would expect that PRC chips will compete for space in industrial applications, but not be able to hold market share for consumer products. Sort of like Chinese motorcycles are right now.

Besides, Russia is going to need as much of that stock as they can get hold of for tanks and drones. You can only go so far cannibalizing washing machines and microwave ovens.

The west would protect western DRAM/NAND vendors

DS999

By putting tariffs on Chinese DRAM/NAND if they threatened to cause Micron, Samsung, Hynix, etc. to go bankrupt, so the risk and downside of an oversupply would be on China.

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded. Everybody rolls with their
fingers crossed. Everybody knows the war is over. Everybody knows the
good guys lost. Everybody knows the fight was fixed: the poor stay
poor, the rich get rich. That's how it goes. Everybody knows.

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking. Everybody knows the captain
lied. Everybody got this broken feeling like their father or their dog
just died.

Everybody talking to their pockets. Everybody wants a box of chocolates
and long stem rose. Everybody knows.

Everybody knows that you love me, baby. Everybody knows that you really
do. Everybody knows that you've been faithful, give or take a night or
two. Everybody knows you've been discreet, but there were so many people
you just had to meet without your clothes. And everybody knows.

And everybody knows it's now or never. Everybody knows that it's me or you.
And everybody knows that you live forever when you've done a line or two.
Everybody knows the deal is rotten: Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
for you ribbons and bows. And everybody knows.

And everybody knows that the Plague is coming. Everybody knows that it's
moving fast. Everybody knows that the naked man and woman. Are just a shining
artifact of the past. Everybody knows the scene is dead. But there's gonna be
a meter on your bed. That will disclose. What everybody knows.

And everybody knows that you're in trouble. Everybody knows what you've been
through. From the bloody cross on top of Calvary. To the beach of Malibu.
Everybody knows it's coming apart. Take one last look at this Sacred Heart.
Before it blows. And everybody knows.
-- Leonard Cohen, "Everybody Knows"