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Musk claims that venting liquid oxygen caused Starship explosion

(2024/01/15)


SpaceX boss Elon Musk has blamed a lack of payload coupled with the venting of liquid oxygen for last year's fiery end to the second flight of the company's Starship and Super Heavy combo.

During a [1]company update posted on X (formerly Twitter) by SpaceX, Musk spent an hour telling the faithful about the company's achievements and his dreams of interplanetary spaceflight. He also provided an update on what happened on the most recent flight.

He said: "If it had had a payload, it would have made it to orbit. Because the reason it didn't quite make it to orbit was we vented the liquid oxygen, and the liquid oxygen ultimately led to fire and an explosion ... we normally wouldn't have had that liquid oxygen if we'd had a payload so, ironically, if it had had a payload it would have reached orbit."

[2]

Hmm. This writer is not a rocket scientist, but having something explode because of venting seems... bad. Musk did not explain how the venting caused the fire, only that things would have gone differently had there been a payload. Presumably because the liquid oxygen would have been consumed by the Raptor engines.

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Still, the iterative approach used by SpaceX means the lessons will have been learned – Musk was keen to point out that the rocket did not destroy the launch pad this time around. Using a deluge of water to dampen the effects of launch has long been a staple of launches going back decades, but it took the creation of a crater for Musk and co to learn that particular lesson.

[4]NASA's Artemis Moon missions take a rain check until 2025 and beyond

[5]America's ambitious Artemis III likely to miss 2025 Moon landing date, auditors sigh

[6]Musk tells advertisers to 'go f**k' themselves as $44B X gamble spirals into chaos

[7]SpaceX celebrates Starship launch as a success – even with the explosion

The next launch could happen as soon as next month, although it does depend on the Federal Aviation Administration issuing a license. Musk told his audience that he reckoned there was a good chance of getting to orbit this time around, and listed a set of impressive goals for flight three. As well as getting the rocket to orbit without exploding, SpaceX intends to demonstrate an in-space engine burn and prove that it can also de-orbit the rocket.

It also wants to test transferring propellant between tanks – an essential milestone for SpaceX's role in NASA's Artemis program – and demonstrate the "Pez dispenser" payload door planned for full-sized Starlink satellites.

NASA recently [8]confirmed that the Artemis program was slipping, with the first crewed landing now set for September 2026. Despite Musk's desire to reduce the gap between Starship launches and accelerate the cadence, SpaceX could certainly use the extra time. ®

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[1] https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1745941814165815717

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[4] https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/10/nasa_artemis_delays/

[5] https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/30/artemis_iii_gao_moon/

[6] https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/30/musk_murders_x/

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/20/spacex_celebrates_starship_explosion/

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/10/nasa_artemis_delays/

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NoneSuch

Shoulda, woulda, coulda...

Deluge

gecho

Their version of deluge is somewhat novel. Instead of spraying down onto the launch pad, it fills the launch pad and sprays out.

Maybe It's Just Me, but

Matthew "The Worst Writer on the Internet" Saroff

Maybe Elon got briefed on this, and simply did not understand what was going on, because the drug-addled "Smartest Man in the World" is not too bright?

Enough with the Elon Musk Snark

Anonymous Coward

“ Billionaire suggests a payload would have solved the problem. And we have a suggestion for who that payload could be ”

Enough with the Elon Musk Snark. It's tedious and unprofessional.

Re: Enough with the Elon Musk Snark

Anonymous Coward

So, pretty much like Elon Musk himself?

Re: Enough with the Elon Musk Snark

aerogems

But how would you make your money simping for Xitler if El Reg did that? You got to think a little further ahead there, Jellied Eel.

aerogems

I'm also not a rocket engineer, I know just enough about physics and chemistry to be dangerous, but something about this explanation just doesn't quite make sense. Liquid oxygen going boom (ok, probably more whoosh) is all fine and well, but they knew the rocket wouldn't have a payload well in advance, so why was the liquid oxygen fuel there in the first place? This is a rocket capable of putting things into orbit we're talking about, not loading the car for a holiday road trip and you decide not to bring the cooler full of beer at the last minute. Things don't just happen on a whim with rockets that cost multi-millions to build and launch, it's all very meticulously planned out well in advance.

Just seems to me like someone was given only part of the story, or their drug addled mind couldn't stay focused long enough to hear the rest.

Oh, I thought he called it huffing, not venting. But LOX? Really Elon?

elDog

You're the man!

Has always seemed just exactly like tRUMP...

nautica

...Makes up excuses on the spur of the moment, and expects them to be accepted because they came out of his mouth. And, no; additional time to think things through before babbling would not help. The operative word here is think .

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