Google Groups ditches links to Usenet, the OG social network
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2023/12/18/google_ends_usenet_links/
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Usenet predated the world wide web by more than a decade and comprised a federated set of newsgroups – threaded conversations that weren't vastly different to the format still used by communities like the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Most newsgroups used the Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) so its content could be shared across the constellation of servers accessed by end users. Those servers were needed because in the early days of the public internet it was not always easy to retrieve info from distant servers without waiting an eternity. And with early internet accounts usually limited by connection time rather than download capacity, federated content made a lot of sense.
Myriad newsgroups proliferated, and in 1995 a biz called Deja archived as many of them as it could find and made them searchable – at about the same time early search engines like AltaVista and Yahoo ! did likewise for the web.
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Deja eventually floundered, and in 2001 then three-year-old Google acquired its Usenet archive. The Register [2]covered the news and noted the deal meant "Google is to extend its search capabilities to Usenet. You can trawl through six months' Usenet messages through the beta at groups.google.com."
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As more and more people came online, Usenet's popularity had grown. Delivering web search and Usenet search gave Google an edge over its rivals in the fledgling search arena.
The rest is history.
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And as of February 22, 2024, some of Google's ties to Usenet will be history too.
A [6]support document posted in the last few days announced the following:
Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view and search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024, on Google Groups.
The announcement also brings news that Google's NNTP server and associated peering "will no longer be available, meaning Google will not support serving new Usenet content or exchanging content with other NNTP servers."
That matters because Google created its own Usenet-like service – Google Groups – and allowed cross-posting. Google Groups could also be used to view Usenet content.
Google's explanation for the change is that "legitimate activity in text-based Usenet groups has declined significantly because users have moved to more modern technologies and formats such as social media and web-based forums."
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The search and ads giant added "Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text) file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam."
Google's advice to those who want to stick with Usenet is to find a new client and point it at the NNTP server of your choice.
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Like all online communities, Usenet mixed rocks and diamonds. A 1994 WiReD [12]article , "The War Between alt.tasteless and rec.pets.cats", offers amusing insights into the service circa 1994 by revealing how a group of provocateurs who delighted in extremely tasteless content invaded another Usenet community dedicated to appreciation of domestic cats.
The story is paywalled, but can be summarized by imagining 4Chan members deciding it would be fun to bring their vile brand of humor to a YouTube channel dedicated to user-contributed cat videos. That entirely plausible scenario is an eloquent demonstration of Usenet's importance in setting the tone for the modern internet.
Which Google has decided doesn't need Usenet anymore. ®
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Google has decided [the modern internet] doesn't need Usenet anymore.
No. Google has decided Google doesn't need Usenet anymore.
However, I used to follow a dozen groups or so, and I haven't looked at any of them in certainly the last five years. I doubt I am alone.
Re: Google has decided [the modern internet] doesn't need Usenet anymore.
I used to follow and post to a few Usenet newsgroups, too -- via a Usenet/Fidonet gateway. I stopped, not due to anything relating to Usenet or Fidonet, but due to more-urgent demands upon my time.
Re: Google has decided [the modern internet] doesn't need Usenet anymore.
The usenet groups I used to follow have migrated to Facebook. I didn't follow them.
Tin foil hat .?
USENET makes almost all the bonkers laws passed to "think of the children" redundant.
Good
They can't monetise, track or censor you on usenet. Port 119 ftw!
With broken support to NGs
It is hard anyway, only follow a couple and has been via googles search of them, will need a different way in now.
As usual it is because it is what goole decide no the users
Good riddance!
As an active user of Usenet I can only express the shared "HOORAY!!!" that everyone on the groups I use expressed when this news hit. Nothing but GARBAGE has been getting shared on Usenet from Google for quite some time now so far as I can tell. Maybe now those of us that still actually use the service won't have to continue setting up filter after filter on our readers to weed out the junk.
The spam was coming from inside the house
Lately something like 98% of Usenet spam has been coming from Google Groups, to the point that it was being blocked by many Usenet admins, so this will actually come as a relief.
For anyone looking for free Usenet access (excluding binaries) there's http://www.eternal-september.org/
Re: The spam was coming from inside the house
Indeed, I've been dropping go ogle content as spam for about two decades on the systems I take care of.
With over 35K users, across a small handful of Usenet servers, I have had absolutely zero complaints about that content being "missing".
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
"binary (non-text) file sharing"
Is that the new designation of pirated content ?
Re: "binary (non-text) file sharing"
No, it's very old (in Internet time).
Embrace, Extend, Extinquish
Yet another example of corporate theft of public spaces.
Please keep (SMTP) Email safe, it's being assaulted on all fronts!
There is nothing the other messaging apps offer, that couldn't have been added to the open, distributed platform.
USENET IS DEAD!
FILM AT 11!
Seriously, we knew go ogle was bad for Usenet when they fucked up the absolutely priceless DejaNews archive almost immediately after taking it over. Seems the gookids didn't understand how to take care of a simple ASCII text archive ... and were too fucking stupid to ask for help. Presumably all that info is lost forever now. Bastards.
Fortunately, the rest of us are still happily up and running. Try DDGing for "free text Usenet" or ask a local Uni for a feed. (You will probably have to pay if you want access to the binary hierarchies.)
Bait
and Switch.