As it prepares to abandon its on-prem server products, Atlassian is content. Users? Not so much
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Atlassian once offered its wares in three forms. The preferred option is from the cloud, in conventional software-as-a-service style that sees Atlassian manage software and infrastructure. Users can also buy datacenter licenses that renew annually and require self-management. Until 2021, you could also get server products under a perpetual license, but users who wanted support and upgrades need to pay.
In 2020 Atlassian decided it wanted to be a cloud company. It argued that doing so would deliver a better experience for customers, and flagged deprecation of its server products.
By trying to serve both audiences we did neither well
"Our first products were servers," Atlassian chief revenue officer Cameron Deatsch told The Register . "This was how every software product worked before the internet."
But around 13 years ago Atlassian started to sell cloudy software, and according to Deatsch "realized early on that SaaS is the future of enterprise software, broadly."
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The Australian vendor kept its SaaS and server products at parity, but didn't find that easy.
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"By trying to serve both audiences we did neither well," Deatsch admitted.
In 2016, Atlassian therefore split the code base for its SaaS and server products – a transition that Deatsch conceded other software companies had done years earlier. While Atlassian believed its future lay in the cloud and SaaS, the server products were kept alive.
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"The biggest reason we did it is we were not fully capable of handling all our server customers in our cloud at that time," Deatsch told The Register . Privacy, data sovereignty, and the challenge of nailing privacy and regulations like the US Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act(HIPAA) also meant Atlassian wasn't confident it could deliver for all customers.
But by 2020 it was ready to go all-in on SaaS – for most customers.
"Even with three years to prepare for these changes, we understand that not every customer will be ready to make the switch from our server products to our cloud products. And, some of you have business requirements that might prevent you from ever operating in the cloud," wrote co-founder and co-CEO Scott Farquhar.
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Atlassian therefore persisted with its datacenter licenses, to ensure it continued to offer an on-prem option.
But the vendor didn't change the licensing tiers for datacenter licenses, which start with a band that covers between one and 500 users – at a flat price, regardless of how many people actually use the software.
Owners of server licenses looking for an on-prem migration path therefore faced the prospect of paying for 500 seats – which costs at least a five figure sum each year – even if they have many fewer users.
Deatsch told The Register that decision was made because Atlassian focussed on the needs of larger users as it continued development of the datacenter products.
Atlassian also felt that larger users might have technical reasons that prevented them from adopting its SaaS, but that smaller customers probably did not. Deatsch added that orgs with around 200 users will find it's cheaper to adopt the SaaS rather than datacenter licenses – likely even more so after total cost of ownership calculations.
Yet Atlassian happily offered server licences priced for up to 10, 25, 50, 100, 250, or 500 users.
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Some customers who can't or won't adopt Atlassian's SaaS aren't happy because the datacenter licenses mean they face price rises.
Users who are caught in that trap tell The Register that repeated requests for flexibility have gone unanswered, and that Atlassian knows some customers face an impossible choice – but the vendor isn't budging.
"I think there are lots of small users at under 500 seats who don't know what to do," said Thomas Murphy, a senior director analyst at Gartner. Murphy cited other vendors' migration plans that offer extended support, especially for custom apps. He's unsure why Atlassian chose not to do so.
Another source of concern is that Atlassian's development plans are now very much cloud first – as typified by last week's acquisition of asynchronous video outfit Loom and [11]informing users it will only be integrated with cloud products. Holders of datacenter licenses won't get the apparently revolutionary new embedded video features.
Some users who contacted The Register told us they've started, and paused, migrations away from server products because the process was not easy.
Atlassian's Deatsch told The Register migration rates have exceeded the vendor's forecasts.
"We thought enterprises would be slow, but they were fast," he said. "Many got cloud mandates from their CIOs."
His goal for the next five months is to ensure that every remaining server customer "knows their options and understands incentives like migration tools, discounts, and extended trials."
Revenue risk
But Atlassian is also bracing for the impact of customers who decide to stop paying for server support.
In the company's most recent [12]letter to investors , co-CEOs Farquhar and Mike Cannon-Brookes named "two significant factors which may impact our revenue results in FY24."
One was macroeconomic uncertainties. The other was "customer purchasing and migration decisions related to the end-of-support for our server offering," which the pair warned will "drive quarter-to-quarter variability in our cloud and datacenter revenue growth rates depending on when and how our server customers ultimately choose to migrate: direct to cloud, direct to datacenter, or to some combination of cloud and datacenter.”
The co-CEOs admitted "some portion of our Server customers will not migrate in FY24." Or perhaps they'll just quit Atlassian altogether.
Deatsch declined to share the number of server users yet to migrate, but said Atlassian is certain its decision to go cloud-first was correct.
"It was a massive strategic bet, but at every step along the way we confirm it is the right call," he said. ®
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Re: Several issues....
It isn't my problem any more cos I left 2 years ago but my last company was the type where data security was very high up the list and putting things like software bug reports on a service where the data left the building was an ultimate no-no. We'd also integrated Jira and Confluence with several databases which made life a lot simpler and that is not something that could be replicated using the cloud offering.
The thing that drew us to Atlassian was the huge flexibility of the products and the plugins.
Re: Several issues....
More or less as soon as they announced they were withdrawing all but the DC license, we saw the writing on the wall and started planning to migrate away from JIRA and Confluence.
Ultimately, we ended up with on prem Gitlab - the revision control integration with tickets is far better than we had with JIRA (though, to be fair, our repos were in a non-Atlassian product) and the project wikis do what we needed from Confluence (the only thing is, a little bit of discipline is needed to ensure you don't end up with a plethora of Wikis to go hunting through).
If Gitlab ever rug-pull, we'll be able to move to the OSS version as a stop-gap (giving up a few features in the processes)
But around 13 years ago Atlassian started to sell cloudy software, and according to Deatsch "realized early on that SaaS is the future of enterprise software, broadly."
Translation: we realised we could screw customers for endless subscriptions and price hikes.
What all cloud providers forget
There seems to be no consideration given to users where data security is about more than confidentiality.
For these users, a cloud instance is never going to be acceptable until there is a 100% guarantee that it is secure, encrypted and protected against loss.
perpetual, adjective: never ending or changing
Yeah, right.
"This was how every software product worked before the internet."
Another beancounter who knows shit about IT, but knows how to screw customers.
One was macroeconomic uncertainties.
I have to see a moment when there will be macroeconomic certainties.
I'm not entirely sure you're right. It's more a case of knowing a lot about IT and using it to screw customers.
Peak cloud ?
My last 2 years have concentrated on pulling some quite key business processes back to on-prem/self hosted solutions. And we now mandate an escape route from SaaS vendors.
Re: Peak cloud ?
This cycle has been ongoing for decades. Before cloud was the 'thin client'. The pendulum will just keep swinging.
Ditching
Anon as based on recent employer history.
They ditched on prem Atlassian products (Conflunece & Jira) and are using alternate solutions.
Not just cost, there are risks with cloud (e.g. outside of EU data processing issues, security in general (Atlassian have a dismal good history when it comes to nasty exploits, with on prem at least you have some decent control to stop exploits hitting the server (on prem instances were restricted access, only available to some internal network users, which also helped a lot in risk mitigation ))).
The general we don't care about on prem, new features pretty much cloud only, like it or lump it approach Atlassian took did not help either.
Bad choice as (in this particular use case, not unbreakable vendor lock in) plenty of alternatives for collaboration and bug / ticket handling software (and data migration was viable, though was a bit of a pain which could potentially dissuade some companies if lacking staff time / skills to do data migration).
Speed has hit the deck
Since we had our on-prem go to their cloud, response for page loading has been dire. Complaints are across the department.
They run a serious risk of losing business unless they get this sorted ... pronto ... but in our experience, they're dragging their heels and it is a dismal service IMHO.
Several issues....
... and here in Europeland and in my company's line of work we have data souvereignty and strong privacy regulations. I sure hope the powers that be have a migration plan away from things like confluence and jira in mind.
The other problem is that coud is just other people's computers. Some in our management get that. I sure do hope they show Ye ancientte signe for banishing daemons (as Sir Pterry described it) and move to a different product (I know that the technically minded are pushing for it...)