If anyone finds an $80M F-35 stealth fighter, please call the Pentagon
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2023/09/18/missing_f35/
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The plane in question, a US Marine Corps F-35B said to belong to one of the Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadrons, went missing after a "mishap" on Sunday afternoon, September 17, led to the pilot ejecting, but not before he put the aircraft on autopilot.
The stealth fighter took off from Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort in South Carolina accompanied by another, which returned safely to the airfield. The pilot ejected for reasons that have yet to be explained.
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According to [2]ABC News , the pilot parachuted safely into a North Charleston neighborhood at about 2pm local time and was then taken to hospital, but he is said to be in a stable condition.
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Searches are focusing on the area surrounding two large bodies of water, Lake Moultrie and Lake Marion, based on the plane's last known position and direction of travel.
This area is to the north of another military base, Joint Base Charleston under the jurisdiction of the US Air Force, which is working with Air Station Beaufort to locate the missing plane.
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In fact, the base posted the incident on social media, requesting the public's assistance in locating the $80 million aircraft.
"We're working with @MCASBeaufortSC to locate an F-35 that was involved in a mishap this afternoon. The pilot ejected safely. If you have any information that may help our recovery teams locate the F-35, please call the Base Defense Operations Center at 843-963-3600," it [6]tweeted .
The problem, according to [7]The Washington Post , is that the F-35's transponder, which would otherwise help to locate the aircraft, was not working for reasons that are also not clear.
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Another issue is that the F-35 was famously designed to be stealthy, making it difficult to detect by radar. The aircraft has special coatings to absorb radar energy, and its faceted design is intended to direct any radar energy that does get reflected away from the source that emitted it.
[9]Lockheed Martin wins $213m contract to update F-35 datacenter
[10]US Navy in mad dash to salvage F-35C that fell off a carrier into South China Sea
[11]Leaked footage shows British F-35B falling off HMS Queen Elizabeth and pilot's death-defying ejection
[12]'Agile' F-35 fighter software dev techniques failed to speed up supersonic jet deliveries
For this reason, F-35 aircraft can be fitted with radar reflectors when not on operational sorties, which includes transit flights and many training missions, so that they are visible to military radar and air traffic control. However, it is not clear what the nature of the mission was in this case, so reflectors may not have been present.
According to [13]The War Zone , if the aircraft was in its full stealth configuration and the problems that led the pilot to eject were caused by onboard avionics systems failures, tracking it may have been very difficult.
We contacted the Pentagon press office to ask for further details, which directed us to contact the US Marine Corps directly, and we are awaiting a response.
This is not the first "mishap" involving the F-35. Last year, an F-35C [14]ended up in the sea after an underpowered approach to the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson. Pilot error was blamed.
The F-35B involved in the latest incident is the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) version of the plane, which is also operated by the UK's Royal Navy. One of these [15]suffered an accident aboard the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth in 2021, ending up in the ocean.
In that case, an [16]investigation found that the cause was an intake blank, designed to plug the air inlet to the aircraft's jet engine when it is not in flight, which had mistakenly been left in place when it was prepared to go on a training mission. ®
Updated to add
A US Marine Corps spokesperson issued the following statement, indicating that the aircraft has still not been found and using the word "mishap" three times.
"We can confirm a mishap involving an F-35B Lightning II jet from Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron (VMFAT) 501 with the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing, Sept. 17. The pilot safely ejected from the aircraft," the organization said.
"The search-and-recovery efforts for the aircraft are ongoing, and we are thankful to the agencies assisting in this effort. The mishap is currently under investigation. The Department of the Navy has a well-defined process for investigating aircraft mishaps. We are unable to provide additional details to preserve the integrity of the investigatory process."
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[6] https://twitter.com/TeamCharleston/status/1703523385475534968
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[9] https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/02/lockheed_martin_wins_contract_to/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/28/f35c_navy_recovery/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/30/f35b_ejection_hms_queen_elizabeth_video/
[12] https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/25/f35_gao_report_fy2020_software_woes/
[13] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-35-cant-be-found-after-pilot-ejected
[14] https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/28/f35c_navy_recovery/
[15] https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/30/f35b_ejection_hms_queen_elizabeth_video/
[16] https://www.navylookout.com/the-f-35-accident-report-a-reality-check-for-uk-carrier-strike/
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Re: Lost in a field
To quote Captain Kirk - "Everybody remember where we parked."
Check..
Craigslist, or maybe the War Thunder forums?
It's technology gorn mad. So stealthy it can't be found! Would have thought that if it ended up in a lake, there'd be some surface debris or oil leaks to help locate it.
Re: Check..
Indeed. Which is why the public appeal for information is not as daft as all that: if you were out fish-bothering, and noticed oil on the water, perhaps that is useful evidence, or perhaps it's Bubba with his 200HP bass boat...
Re: Check..
I reckon it was aliens. More specifically, First Contact is about to be from their lawyers on the subject of patent infringement.
It's an interesting design challenge though. Make an aircraft that's as stealthy as possible. So unlike civilian aircraft, probably don't want transponders or black boxes squawking it's location, even if it has crashed. I guess there's a lot of risks that that could be detected, spoofed to turn it on, the intelligence value from an intact black box recorder, or even just the potential extra noise from having something like that plumbed in.
There is a presumption in the appeal that some people could have spotted an errant F-35 in their neighbourhood but not thought to mention it until asked.
I could have understood not mentioning it if it was a Starfighter
aka "The Widowmaker", due to the number that used to fall out of the sky.
There was a"joke" amongst those serving in Germany:
Q: How do you catch a Starfighter?
A: Buy a field and wait.
Re: I could have understood not mentioning it if it was a Starfighter
The F-104 was notorious for crashes, but in the vast majority of cases bird strikes were the principal cause.
The F-35 does not even have that excuse to fall back on. Over-complicated and badly designed, it was a failure since the drawing board.
The F-104 was the Widowmaker. The F-35 is the Blue Scream of Death.
When I grew up the joke was that you only ever saw artist impressions of the F-16 because they tended to crash before someone could take a photo.
Reminds me of the time Tommy Cooper went out to buy some camouflage trousers, he couldn't find any!
Extinct Volcano?
Any extinct volcanoes/large caves in the vicinity? Given that the aircraft is the STOVL variant, it would be the ideal aircraft for Blofeld/Dr Evil type character to take control of and fly in to their lair.
icon: Little Nellie
Re: Extinct Volcano?
"it would be the ideal aircraft for Blofeld/Dr Evil type character to take control of and fly in to their lair."
Or stringfellow hawke.
Can't those fancy surveillance satellites see it, or are they still looking for balloons?
Still, at least they know the stealth works, I guess.
Re: Extinct Volcano?
"Still, at least they know the stealth works, I guess."
F-35 stealthiness doesn't work, acoording to some experts and VHF/UHF radio operators.
According to ABC News, the pilot parachuted safely into a North Charleston neighborhood at about 2pm local time and was then taken to hospital, but he is said to be in a stable condition.
So he landed in a farm then...
Hopefully his throat wasn't too horse...
Harrier GR5 ZD325
There was this incident in October 1987 of a Harrier on a pre-delivery flight, where the pilot got pulled out through the canopy by the firing of the parachute deployment rocket - the aircraft continued to fly until it crashed into the Irish Sea on fuel exhaustion. The body of the pilot, Taylor Scott was found several days later in Wiltshire.
[1]https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/55537
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Scott
[1] https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/55537
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Scott
Pilot ejected for reasons that have yet to be explained
> but not before he put the aircraft on autopilot.
So he switches over to autopilot and is promptly ejected by the aircraft?
Was there anything else going wrong shortly beforehand, such as, ooooh, problems with the AE35 unit?
If not, one is left to assume that it was external interference, indicating that SkyNet has started making its first moves, collecting together materiel.
Re: Pilot ejected for reasons that have yet to be explained
but not before he put the aircraft on autopilot.
Would he be able to recall what heading(s) he programmed?
Oh so THAT'S what that was
I couldn't figure what that thing in the trees behind my house was, so I took a picture and sent it to the Audobon Society so they could tell me what sort of bird it was.
Missing Poster
If found, please call DoD...
[1]https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/654847-usmc-f-35b-crash-17-sep-23-a-2.html#post11504801
[1] https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/654847-usmc-f-35b-crash-17-sep-23-a-2.html#post11504801
Guy on Craigslist
Says he has a “Thunderbird” for sale.
I thought he was kidding at first…
Lost in a field
Did they try clicking the remote? Some lights should flash and there should be a "beep".