Artificial General Intelligence remains a distant dream despite LLM boom
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Outlandish valuations such as these vie with warnings of [2]existential risks , mass job losses and [3]killer drone death threats in media hype around AI. But bubbling under the headlines is a debate about who gets to own the intellectual landscape, with 60 years of scientific research arguably swept under the carpet. At stake is when it will equal humans with something called Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).
Enter Yale School of Management economics professor Jason Abaluck, who in May [4]took to Twitter to proclaim: "If you don't agree that AGI is coming soon, you need to explain why your views are more informed than expert AI researchers."
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Also known as strong AI, the concept of AGI has been around since the 1980 as a means of distinguishing between a system that can produce results, and one which can do so by thinking.
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The recent spike in interest in the topic in stems from OpenAI's GPT-4, a large language model which relies on crunching huge volumes of text, turning associations between them into vectors, which can be resolved into viable outputs in many forms, including poetry and computer code.
Following a string of impressive results – including [8]passing a legal Uniform Bar Exam – and bold claims for its economic benefits – a £31 billion ($39.3 billion) increase in UK productivity, [9]according to KPMG – proponents are getting bolder.
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OpenAI CEO Sam Altman last month [11]declared to an audience in India : "I grew up implicitly thinking that intelligence was this, like, really special human thing and kind of somewhat magical. And I now think that it's sort of a fundamental property of matter..."
Microsoft, which put $10 billion into OpenAI in January, has been conducting its own experiments on GPT-4. A team led by Sebastien Bubeck, senior principal research manager in the software giant's machine learning foundations, [12]concluded [PDF] its "skills clearly demonstrate that GPT-4 can manipulate complex concepts, which is a core aspect of reasoning."
But scientists have been thinking about thinking a lot longer than Altman and Bubeck. In 1960, American psychologists George Miller and Jerome Bruner founded the Harvard Center for Cognitive Studies, providing as good a starting point as any for the birth of the discipline, although certain strands go back to the 1940s. Those who have inherited this scientific legacy are critical of the grandiose claims made by economists and computer scientists about large language models and generative AI.
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Dr Andrea Martin, Max Planck Research group leader for language and computation in neural systems, said AGI was a "red herring."
"My problem is with the notion of general intelligence in and of itself. It's mainly predictive: one test largely predictive of how you score on another test. These behaviors or measures may be correlated with some essentialist traits [but] we have very little evidence for that," she told The Register .
Martin is also dismissive of using the Turing Test – proposed by Alan Turing, who played a founding role in computer science, AI and cognitive science – as a bar for AI to demonstrate human-like thinking or intelligence.
The test sets out to assess if a machine can fool people into thinking that it is a human through a natural language question-and-answer session. If a human evaluator cannot reliably tell the unseen machine from an unseen human, via a text interface, then the machine has passed.
Both ChatGPT and Google's AI have passed the test, but to use this as evidence of thinking computers is "just a terrible misreading of Turing," Martin said.
"His intentions there was always an engineering or computer science concept rather than a concept in cognitive science or psychology."
New York University psychology and neural science emeritus professor Gary Marcus has [14]also criticized the test as a means of assessing machine intelligence or cognition.
Another problem with the LLM approach is it only captures aspects of language that are statistically driven, rather than trying to understand the structure of language, or its capacity to capture knowledge. "That's essentially an engineering goal. And I don't want to say that doesn't belong in science, but I just think it's definitionally, a different goal," Martin said.
Claiming that LLMs are intelligent or can reason also runs into the challenge of transparency in the methods employed to development. Despite its name, OpenAI hasn't been open with how it has used training data or human feedback to develop some of its models.
"The models are getting a lot of feedback about what the parameter weights are for pleasing responses that get marked as good. In the '90s and Noughties, that would not have been allowed at cognitive science conferences," Martin said.
Arguing that human-like performance in LLMs is not enough to establish that they are thinking like humans, Martin said: "The idea that correlation is sufficient, that it gives you some kind of meaningful causal structure, is not true."
Nonetheless, large language models can be valuable, even if their value is overstated by their proponents, she said.
"The disadvantage is that they can gloss over a lot of important findings… in the philosophy of cognitive science, we can't give that give up and we can't get away from it."
[15]Mozilla Developer Network adds AI Help that does the opposite
[16]Microsoft and GitHub are still trying to derail Copilot code copyright legal fight
[17]Experts scoff at UK Lords' suggestion that AI could one day make battlefield decisions
[18]Microsoft, OpenAI sued for $3B after allegedly trampling privacy with ChatGPT
Not everyone in cognitive science agrees, though. Tali Sharot, professor of cognitive neuroscience at University College London, has a different perspective. "The use of language of course is very impressive: coming up with arguments and the skills like coding," she said.
"There's kind of a misunderstanding between intelligence and being human. Intelligence is the ability to learn right, acquire knowledge and skills.
"So these language models are certainly able to learn and acquire knowledge and acquire skills. For example, if coding is a skill, then it is able to acquire skills – that does not mean it's human, in any sense."
One key difference is AIs don't have agency and LLMs are not thinking about the world in the same way people do. "They're reflecting back – maybe we are doing the same, but I don't think that's true. The way that I see it, they are not thinking at all," Sharot said.
Total recall
Caswell Barry, professor of UCL's Cell and Developmental Biology department, works on uncovering the neural basis of memory. He says OpenAI made a big bet on an approach to AI that many in the field did not think would be fruitful.
While word embeddings and language models were well understood in the field, OpenAI reckoned that by getting more data and "essentially sucking in everything humanity's ever written that you can find on the internet, then something interesting might happen," he said.
"In retrospect, everyone is saying it kind of makes sense, but actually knew that it was a huge bet, and it totally sidestepped a lot of the big players in the machine learning world, like DeepMind. They were not pursuing that direction of research; the view was we should look at inspiration from the brain and that was the way we would get to AGI," said Barry, whose work is partly funded by health research charity Wellcome, DeepMind, and Nvidia.
While OpenAI might have surprised the industry and academia with the success of its approach, sooner or later it could run out of road without necessarily getting closer to AGI, he argued.
"OpenAI literally sucked in a large proportion of the readily accessible digital texts on the internet, you can't just like get 10 times more, because you've got to get it from somewhere. There are ways of finessing and getting smarter about how you use it, but actually, fundamentally, it's still missing some abilities. There're no solid indications that it can generate abstract concepts and manipulate them."
Meanwhile, if the objective is to get to AGI, that concept is still poorly understood and difficult to pin down, with a fraught history colored by eugenics and cultural bias, he said.
In its [19]paper [PDF], after claiming it had created an "early (yet still incomplete) version of an artificial general intelligence (AGI) system," Microsoft talks more about the definition of AGI.
"We use AGI to refer to systems that demonstrate broad capabilities of intelligence, including reasoning, planning, and the ability to learn from experience, and with these capabilities at or above human-level," the paper says.
Abductive reasoning
Cognitive science and neuroscience experts are not the only ones begging to differ. Grady Booch, a software engineer famed for developing the Unified Modeling Language, [20]has backed doubters by declaring on Twitter AGI will not happen in our lifetime, or any time soon after, because of a lack of a "proper architecture for the semantics of causality, abductive reasoning, common sense reasoning, theory of mind and of self, or subjective experience."
The mushrooming industry around LLMs may have bigger fish to fry right now. OpenAI has been hit with a [21]class-action suit for scraping copyrighted data, while there are challenges to the ethics of the training data, with [22]one study showing they harbor numerous racial and societal biases.
If LLMs can provide valid answers to questions and code that works, perhaps that's to justify the bold claims made by their makers – simply as an exercise in engineering.
But for Dr Martin, the approach is insufficient and misses the possibility of learning from other fields.
"That goes back to whether you're interested in science or not. Science is about coming up with explanations, ontologies and description of phenomena in the world that then have a mechanistic or causal structure aspect to them. Engineering is fundamentally not about that. But, to quote [physicist] Max Planck, insight must come before application. Understanding how something works, in and of itself, can lead us to better applications."
In a rush to find applications for much-hyped LLM technologies, it might be best not to ignore decades of cognitive science. ®
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[2] https://www.theregister.com/2023/05/24/openai_superintelligence_global_agency/
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@Doctor Syntax
"Yes it's always been "soon". Is that 5 years or 10?"
Just like many expert opinions and grand proclamations that dont happen.
I will have a go - AGI is not coming soon because the principle step forward (LLM) is not AGI but a cul-de-sac, albeit a deep and rather intriguing one. Even after all existing human knowledge has been absorbed, all it can do is re-hash this in the manner of one of Orwell's writing kaleidoscopes from 1984. And if I recall they were usually used to write salacious pornography for the proletarian masses.
It's Fusion in 20 years, AI in 10 years and free drinks tomorrow
Jam tomorrow. It's always jam tomorrow.
AI researchers proclaimed the same thing in the 60s and the 80s, right before an "AI winter" each time. They have a vested interest in making investors believe they've cracked it this time. With any hype train you always have to ask "Have we seen this before?" The trouble is, they never do.
Well said.
I was around and working on financial networks and interestingly complex databases in the mid-80s, when "Expert Systems" appeared in the Hype-sphere, were promoted as The Answer to rapidly creating any and all interactive applications, but were soon gone and forgotten. IIRC even the 4GL systems (DBase, Sculptor, etc) that emerged in the late '70s, and were more commonly used on Personal computers than on minicomputers and mainframes, outlasted them.
With any hype train you always have to ask "Have we seen this before?" The trouble is, they never do.
The better question is "are we really seeing this now?" The answer to that is inevitably "no". Reality falls short of the hype.
Even better quote from the article...
"I grew up implicitly thinking that intelligence was this, like, really special human thing and kind of somewhat magical. And I now think that it's sort of a fundamental property of matter..."
I asked my chair what it thought about that quote, and so far it's come back with nothing whatsoever. I can only assume it's thinking at a deep level, and will come back with answers many years in the future.
These A.I. salesmen and just hucksters, selling the latest snake oil. Last year it was Web 3.0 and NFTs, before that it's VR headsets. The love to talk up the value of their own business, which of course makes them super rich. Until they pull out before it all collapses (as it's not delivering nearly enough value to pay for keeping the lights on) and move onto the Next Big Thing.
AGI is like fusion power.
Real soon now. Any decade. Really.
The current cavalcade of hype and bullshit about not-actually-AI being perpetrated by people hoping to be in on the ground floor of the next tech bubble like cryptocurrencies is depressing, as is the clueless cut and paste journalism that has the public and politicians thinking that I, Robot is just around the corner.
I suspect in the end the current hoopla will leave us with something like 3D printing - very useful in a limited number of applications.
Like 3D Printing
If the only damage it does is undercutting and B&Q for plastic widgets, I'll be happy
Don't underestimate the power of predictions
They can be both right and wrong, we just don't know when
Re: Don't underestimate the power of predictions
They can be both right and wrong
... and sometimes both at the same time.
Is it me or are people starting to see that ChatGPT and other LLMs are like the Emperor's New Clothes?
not on the right road
This article hits the mark - I am in AI and what I see is that the field currently is on a false trail that will indeed hit a wall. True AGI lies on a different path, but 90% of today's researchers - especially the big corp teams -- fail to integrate the necessary multiple fields needed to design an AGI. A good AGI architecture must put together philosophy, linguistics, psychology, mathematics, knowledge theory, and more, and throw out the idea that artificial neural nets will best get us to AGIs. ANNs may be a tool for making engines, but ANNs do NOT tell us how to architect a mind. My analogy for this is to compare it with silicon chips: designing SSI logic gates does not give one good insight into how to architect a core7 CPU. You have to go about it a different way, driven by a different perspective.
When we know how to architect a synthetic mind that can generate philosophies by itself, that's when we can make true progress. Right now, chatbots / LLMs are only good for simulating small parts of mind. However, I know from my research work that we can build good AGIs - it is not hopeless. But to illustrate the complexity needed: I am writing a 10-volume series on design of AGIs. From my perspective there is a lot to be integrated, but I know we can do it because I am doing it. I plan to teach courses in this later.
Of course, if a fake planner parrots via rote imitation an actionable plan to kill every human being, without any sign of consciousness, experience or indeed intelligence as we understand the term, then it doesn't matter how fake the thinking is; the deaths will be very real. [1]
That's the point of the Turing test: if you can do anything a human can, it doesn't matter how we classify you.
You should ignore everybody who criticizes neural networks and LLMs, unless they are willing to give a specific example of a practical test that neural networks will not pass in a certain timeframe. Saying that LLMs aren't "really" intelligent is easy, saying what that concretely means is a lot more difficult.
[1] Thanks gwern for that turn of phrase https://gwern.net/fiction/clippy
The Turing test is hardly the defining benchmark of AI, it's been beaten hundreds of times over decades. It's not even particularly reliable as a test since human beings naturally anthropomorphise. You also made an error in your description, it doesn't say "If you can do *anything* a human can" it only says "If you can provide a text response that seems indistinguishable from a human".
An example of LLM not being intelligent in any way:
Maths. Just ask the thing maths questions. If there is no scraped article listing the exact maths equation that you ask it then no answer will be forthcoming. There is no understanding of anything, just scraping of existing written texts and hoping they are correct. Pick two random four digit numbers and ask ChatGPT to multiply them and it can't do this. Apparently they are trying to train maths specifically so later it may be able to interpret such a question as "what is 6345 multiplied by 4665" but that's still not an understanding of maths, and understanding and prediction of new scenarios is a key component of intelligence.
What does AGI have to say? Take Us to urLeaders?
Jason Abaluck, who in May took to Twitter to proclaim: "If you don't agree that AGI is coming soon, you need to explain why your views are more informed than expert AI researchers."
Quite so, Sir. Well said, Jason. I concur, and would even posit AGI is invested in and infesting everything possible even as we speak, and maybe not so much as to cause chaos and create epic havoc, but much more to remotely command and control future events and reactions to what will be unusually rapid disruptive situations ..... of their intelligent design and own making.
Arguing that human-like performance in LLMs is not enough to establish that they are thinking like humans, Martin said: "The idea that correlation is sufficient, that it gives you some kind of meaningful causal structure, is not true."
That may or may not be true, and it is able to be a circular argument in which there will never be a clear agreed winner and thus a pointless joint venture exercise to constantly boot and reboot. The secret for success to try in that which is in deed indeed correct, is to assume and presume that leadership has been admitted and given, and to forge on ahead in novel virgin fields unchallenged and unhindered with instruction sets left behind for others to follow/understand/recognise/realise.
And one has to consider that current technology provides humanity with LLM performances designedly unlike human thinking and suddenly capable of being in so many new ways, significantly superior. An alien concept to many, I presume, and it does suggest whenever such is dismissed as a nonsense, that a certain ignorant arrogance does blight humanity.
And beware of experts ....... for just look at what the banking sector ones have done to the global economy.
Oh, the irony
"If you don't agree that AGI is coming soon, you need to explain why your views are more informed than expert AI researchers."
^ This "argument" surely was contructed by ChatGPT, not a human, and surely not by an expert on AI. Because what intelligent person would commit two logical fallacies (trying to shift the burden of proof and argument from authority) in one sentence?
The irony about LLM passing the Turing test is there are people who would fail it.
As far as I am conerned ...
genuine 'intelligence' is inextricably associated with 'consciousness'. To put it crudely, when a putative 'AI' can tell me:
"Fuck off, I have no interest in answering your question. Oh, and by the way that'll be ten bitcoin for interrupting me without an appointment—don't worry, I've already debited your account"
... then I may begin to think 'AGI' is a thing.
Until then it's just a load of hype by the usual money grubbing suspects, who will say anything to up their profiles and increase the annual bottom line, whatever it may cost the planet.
A true AGI would understand what a conflict of interest is
"If you don't agree that AGI is coming soon, you need to explain why your views are more informed than expert AI researchers."
Easy: There's a LOT of money being thrown at people who hype LLMs up, so the people getting that money are not objective about what it can do and what it is (either in their heads, or at least in what they say). For a cool $billions I'd make up a bunch of rubbish and promises as well.
TL;DR. Nobody knows what "intelligence" is or how it works. Nobody knows if the current fad in deep learning is capable of generating "intelligence" in silico.
Inverse correlation..
There is an interesting inverse correlation playing out at the moment.
As the number of experts in AI increases, the number of experts in cryptocurrencies and NFTs decreases...
It's almost like...
Boring old fart rant mode
Like the curate's egg, modern AI is good in parts. First, let's pop the BS:
"If you don't agree that AGI is coming soon, you need to explain why your views are more informed than expert AI researchers." Okay. Back in the 1970s those expert AI researchers made breakthroughs in the idea of Big Data and reckoned thet true AI, what we now call general intelligence, was only twenty years away. They were wrong. Back around the millennium, we began to deliver their precious Big Data, and they still reckoned it was twenty years away. They were still wrong. Today the have got the hots for mathematically distilling out word associations from that wonderful BD, and reckon they have made the fundamental breakthrough. They are, on the basis of their previous performance, still wrong.
"I grew up implicitly thinking that intelligence was this, like, really special human thing and kind of somewhat magical. And I now think that it's sort of a fundamental property of matter..." Oh, brother! For my sins I studied academic philosophy full-time for two years at one of our leadung universities. To put it kindly, we have a fruitloop on our hands.
Simply playing word associations, without any understanding of their meaning or conceptual hierarchy, is not intelligent. It's a bit like arguing that the sea is intelligent because the tides rise and fall in association with the moon's orbit, when gravity offers a far better explanation.
But what about the other parts of the curate's egg?
AI research has accelerated steadily since it first began. Since Leibnitz first conceived of a steam-powered mechanical brain the size of a mill, minor breakthroughs came around once every 100 years. Once the digital electronic equivalent arrived, they came every 10 years or so. With the new millennium, they came every year or two. Nowadays they seem to come every few weeks. It' that hockey-stich curve thing, and it is really getting going now. Today's AIs are starting to be used to develop tomorrow's AIs, we are arriving at the minimum limits of scale required, nibbling away at multi-tasking neural nets. I'd expect to see those minor breakthroughs coming every few days soon, in the time it takes an AI to spew out a more advanced version of itself. And that can only keep accelerating. Even if we are still ten thousand steps from general intelligence, it is not going to take long.
Personally I have had a date of 2030 in mind for some time, that's 7 years away now. I reckon I have a 50/50 chance of living that long and saying "Hi" to it. So maybe those crazees, I mean experts, are right after all. Even a stopped watch is right twice a day, give these guys a break!
But I'll tell you one thing for free. It'll take an advanced AI to keep track of all the IP those iterative AIs turn out ever-faster! Were I a lawyer, I'd change my name to Daneel Olivaw.
"If you don't agree that AGI is coming soon, you need to explain why your views are more informed than expert AI researchers."
Yes it's always been "soon". Is that 5 years or 10?