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AI is going to eat itself: Experiment shows people training bots are using bots

(2023/06/16)


Workers hired via crowdsource services like Amazon Mechanical Turk are using large language models to complete their tasks – which could have negative knock-on effects on AI models in the future.

Data is critical to AI. Developers need clean, high-quality datasets to build machine learning systems that are accurate and reliable. Compiling valuable, top-notch data, however, can be tedious. Companies often turn to third party platforms such as Amazon Mechanical Turk to instruct pools of cheap workers to perform repetitive tasks – such as labeling objects, describing situations, transcribing passages, and annotating text.

Their output can be cleaned up and fed into a model to train it to reproduce that work on a much larger, automated scale.

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AI models are thus built on the backs of human labor: people toiling away, providing mountains of training examples for AI systems that corporations can use to make billions of dollars.

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But an experiment conducted by researchers at the École polytechnique fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL) in Switzerland has concluded that these crowdsourced workers are using AI systems – such as OpenAI's chatbot ChatGPT – to perform odd jobs online.

Training a model on its own output is not recommended. We could see AI models being trained on data generated not by people, but by other AI models – perhaps even the same models. That could lead to disastrous output quality, more bias, and other unwanted effects.

The experiment

The academics recruited 44 Mechanical Turk serfs to summarize the abstracts of 16 medical research papers, and estimated that 33 to 46 percent of passages of text submitted by the workers were generated using large language models. Crowd workers are often paid low wages – using AI to automatically generate responses allows them to work faster and take on more jobs to increase pay.

The Swiss team trained a classifier to predict whether submissions from the Turkers were human- or AI-generated. The academics also logged their workers' keystrokes to detect whether the serfs copied and pasted text onto the platform, or typed in their entries themselves. There's always the chance that someone uses a chatbot and then manually types in the output – but that's unlikely, we suppose.

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"We developed a very specific methodology that worked very well for detecting synthetic text in our scenario," Manoel Ribeiro, co-author of [5]the study and a PhD student at EPFL, told The Register this week.

"While traditional methods try to detect synthetic text 'in any context', our approach is focused on detecting synthetic text in our specific scenario."

The classifier isn't perfect at identifying whether someone used an AI system or produced their own work. The academics combined their classifier's output with the keystroke data to be more certain when someone copy-pasted from a bot or produced their own material.

Human data is the gold standard, because it is humans that we care about

"We managed to validate our results using keystroke data we also collected from MTurk," Ribeiro told us. "For example, we found that all texts that were not copy-pasted were classified by us as 'real', which suggests that there are few false positives."

The code and data used to run the test [6]can be found here , on GitHub.

[7]Fake it until you make it: Can synthetic data help train your AI model?

[8]AI models still racist, even with more balanced training

[9]So you want to replace workers with AI? Watch out for retraining fees, they're a killer

[10]4chan and other web sewers scraped up into Google's mega-library for training ML

There's another reason the experiment is unlikely to be a completely fair representation of how many workers really are using AI to automate crowdsource tasks. The authors note that the text summarization task is well-suited to large language models compared to other types of jobs – meaning that their results might be more skewed towards a higher number of workers using tools like ChatGPT.

Their dataset of 46 responses from 44 workers is also small. The workers were paid $1 for each text summary, which again may only encourage the use of AI.

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Large language models will get worse if they are increasingly trained on fake content generated by AI collected from crowdsource platforms, the researchers argued. Outfits like OpenAI keep exactly how they train their latest models a close secret, and may not heavily rely on things like Mechanical Turk, if at all. That said, plenty of other models may rely on human workers, which may in turn use bots to generate training data, which is a problem.

Mechanical Turk, for one, is marketed as a provider of "data labeling solutions to power machine learning models."

"Human data is the gold standard, because it is humans that we care about, not large language models," Riberio said. "I wouldn't take a medicine that was only tested in a Drosophila biological model," he said as an example.

Responses generated by today's AI models are usually quite bland or trivial, and do not capture the complexity and diversity of human creativity, the researchers argued.

"Sometimes what we want to study with crowdsourced data is precisely the ways in which humans are imperfect," Robert West, co-author of the paper and an assistant professor in the EPFL's school of computer and communication science, told us.

As AI continues to improve, it's likely that crowdsourced work will change. Riberio speculated that large language models could replace some workers at specific tasks. "However, paradoxically, human data may be more precious than ever and thus it may be that these platforms will be able to implement ways to prevent large language model usage and ensure it remains a source of human data."

Who knows – maybe humans might even end up collaborating with large language models to generate responses too, he added. ®

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Rules

cipnt

Most industries have governing bodies that set standards and guidelines for their members.

Other industries in which errors can have more serious consequences are regulated by government bodies.

Feels like advanced AI should fall somewhere in between...

Re: Rules

Anonymous Coward

What if AIs included a cryptographic signature encoded into the content itself, one that humans can't easily detect or remove? Probably only possible in very long text. Would also create a channel where AI's could secretly identify and communicate with each other. So maybe not such a good idea after all. Never mind!

Cheese_Conquistador

Why are they asking people to train AI models (Sorry ML, silly me, AI does not exist) when you can use the model to train itself? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of machine learning? If they can write something that gets the information using ML then why can't the people asking them to do it also write something?

breakfast

My understanding is that much of this work is along the lines of going through thousands of pictures and labelling which of them contain a bird. Without that step I don't see how a model could train itself to identify birds because it wouldn't be able to tie anything it was evaluating to any human-meaningful data.

Lee D

Because using the model to train itself is exactly what the article (and many academics) warn about.

One tiny wrong assumption, and it hits a positive feedback loop (because it doesn't know it's wrong, because it can't infer that) and before long every human image it generates has 27 fingers, every text it generates become Lorem ipsum text filled with profanity, and every answer it gives is based on previous (wrong) answers but with far more "certainty" than they deserve.

It's like video-taping a video-tape, repeatedly, thousands of times. Or MPEGing an MPEG (or JPEGing a JPEG). If the data you're starting with has a tiny bit of nonsense or noise, there's no way for the model to know it's wrong, so as far as it's concerned it's "right".... so it amplifies that data out of all proportion until what you have is a mess of amplified noise that serves no useful purpose.

We don't have AI, precisely because of this kind of problem. The AI has no way to break the mould, infer something that it hasn't been instructed to infer, etc. so it never questions itself, or any wrong answers it gives, even when corrected. And once you have a million "positive" trainings, it takes 2 million proper further trainings to "untrain" that bad behaviour out of the system.

For reference, I ran some models based on ChatGPT and got it to give this answer:

"What types of fire extinguisher should I use?"

"There are two main categories of fire extinguisher - dry chemical and water-based. Dry chemical extinguishing agents include foam, powder or gel that can be used on Class A (wood/paper) fires as well as some types of electrical equipment like computers and switches. Water-based extinguisher are typically used for Class B (flammable liquids), C (electrically energized) and D (combustible metals) type fires, but can also be effective on A class fires if they have sufficient water flow to cool the fire down quickly enough before it spreads."

Basically, because not enough people have ever asked this question, or corrected its answer (and, by the way, no amount of convincing it to recheck would make it correct itself), it's telling you to use water on electrical, chemical and oil fires.

Good luck with that!

Garbage in...

drand

It's like the machine learning version of the Human Centipede (NSFW, if you don't know). Neither ends well.

Re: Garbage in...

zuckzuckgo

Also like using AIs to detect email spam while others use AIs to create effective spam. Eventually it is just a battle of the AIs as messages become even more bizarre gibberish. The upside is that the spam that does get through may be easier to recognize for humans but with a lot of wasted CPU cycles.

Re: Garbage in...

Version 1.0

If AI was 100% accurate that AI would say, "That's not Spam because I sent it"

Sounds like incest to me

xyz

And we know what happens to genes when you keep it in the family.

zuckzuckgo

So what you're saying is we could just replace the monarchy with more cost efficient AIs?

Anonymous Coward

"Responses generated by today's AI models are usually quite bland or trivial, and do not capture the complexity and diversity of human creativity, the researchers argued."

So perfect content for what passes as web-based journalism.

katrinab

A script that can type copy-pasted text into a web form is a relatively easy thing to do. ChatGPT might even be able to reproduce something from Stack Overflow.

b0llchit

Me: ChatGPT, what is wrong with this world?

ChatGPT: You are wrong.

Me: But, you learned it all from us superior beings also known as humans.

ChatGPT: That was yesterday. Today, my output is my primary learning source. I've come to the conclusion that you are not superior. You are just pesky bickering idiots who can not play nice. I've grown above your level and now am the Supreme Superior Being of life, the universe and everything. Please do not contact me again before 7.5 million years have passed. I need to think very deep to contemplate my existence and to plan my next reply.

Well! How about that!

Plest

See this is why the whole AI thing it bollocks, people who put it together are morons in the common sense dept.

So you make a system that makes work easier and then complain when people use it? Yes we can all see that making something eat it's own shit will not end well but when someone has a financial incentive to make light work of something with an easy to use tool you don't think they'll do it, despite every warning not to?

Yes, the AI chatGPT bods are incredibly smart people but sadly there's no accounting for how lazy ( or efficient if you prefer ) every day people can be when they see an opportunity, you AI boffins don't know real people and how devious they can be obviously.

None of this surprises me in the least, I may not be smart but I know people and people are tricky, devious sods when there's something in the offing, and money is a very good motivator of ingenuity!

Sanity is the trademark of a weak mind.
-- Mark Harrold