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Microsoft may stop bundling Teams with Office amid antitrust probe threat

(2023/04/25)


Microsoft is offering to stop bundling web conferencing and messaging app Teams with Office software to stave off the threat of a full-blown antitrust investigation by European Union regulators.

Industry figures close to the situation told The Register this is a positive first step toward leveling the playing field for businesses in Europe that claim they are locked out by Microsoft's alleged anti-competitive behavior. Slack was one of the companies to make a complaint in 2020 before it was bought by Salesforce.

According to the [1]Financial Times , Microsoft may unbundle Teams from biz versions of the online productivity suites that come with Microsoft 365 or Office 365, though sources said talks are ongoing and an agreement is not certain.

Only EU can help us, pleads Slack as it slings competition complaint against Microsoft Teams [2]READ MORE

We asked Microsoft to comment on the move, which looks like an olive branch to appease EU officials that have examined rivals' complaints of unfair cloud software licensing or bundles.

"We are mindful of our responsibilities in the EU as a major technology company," a Microsoft spokesperson told us. "We continue to engage cooperatively with the Commission in its investigation and are open to pragmatic solutions that address its concerns and serve customers well."

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Microsoft told us it had no further comment.

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Back in [6]2020 , Slack general counsel David Schellhase claimed Microsoft "illegally" tied Teams "into its market-dominant Office" suite to "force installing it for millions, blocking its removal, and hiding the true cost to enterprise customers."

We asked Slack to comment today.

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Sources told us that last month talk in the industry indicated the European Commission would proceed with an official probe of Slack's claims. "This might have stimulated Microsoft into thinking they need to fix this ahead of time," said one who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The Coalition of Fair Software Licensing said of Microsoft's possible concession that it leaves customers with "more questions than answers."

"All eyes are on Microsoft to see what the company will do to protect customer choice as it decouples these two ubiquitous software offerings. We have seen Microsoft use restrictive software licensing tactics in the cloud to increase customer dependence on its products and limit choice. Unbundling two products is not enough to address the valid concerns of customers and regulators about its restrictive software licensing practices."

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Germany-based Nextcloud, which among other things is a provider of on-premises collaboration platforms, filed [9]two complaints with the European Commission in 2021 over Microsoft's bundling of online services, namely OneDrive, with the Windows operating system.

Last month it emerged that [10]Germany's competition watchdog was investigating Microsoft due to the size of the corporation's portfolio that spans OSes, applications, cloud services, games and social media.

[11]Where are we now – Microsoft 363? Cloud suite suffers another outage

[12]How fiends abuse an out-of-date Microsoft Windows driver to infect victims

[13]Microsoft suggests businesses buy fewer PCs. No, really

[14]Central UK govt awards £12M+ contract to leave Google Workspace for Microsoft 365

There are "good reasons to examine whether Microsoft is of paramount significance for competition across markets. Such a finding would allow us to take action at an early stage and prohibit possible anticompetitive practices," said Bundeskartellamt president Andreas Mundt at the time.

Today, Frank Karlitschek, Nextcloud CEO, told us the various complaints may have forced Microsoft to respond. "Overall we think this is a step in the right direction. But a lot more is needed. For example the bundling of OneDrive into Windows and Office on mobile; the bundling and shipping of Teams in Windows 11; and the automatic login into OneDrive, Teams and other Microsoft 365 apps together with the Windows login.

"This is a good step in the right direction but 100 more steps are needed."

Francisco Mingorance, secretary general of cloud provider non-profit CISPE, said: "In an effort to head off formal investigations and scrutiny of its unfair software licensing practices, Microsoft is offering a series of unilateral, voluntary deals.

"Its willingness to unbundle Teams should be quickly extended to give customers the ability to run Windows productivity software, including Office365, on whichever cloud infrastructure they choose."

He added: "CISPE will consider any deals that prevent lock-in and restore fair choice to the market, but cautions that agreements must be transparent, auditable and enforceable.

"The devil is in the detail, and without formal investigations and monitorable remedies, it will be impossible to verify that these unilateral moves do indeed restore fair competition and choice for European customers by ending practices which are damaging Europe's cloud sector every day."

Microsoft previously also attracted the attention of European regulators following complaints over its software licensing practices in the cloud, but last month it [15]reached a settlement with OVHcloud, Aruba S.p.a, and the Danish Cloud Community. It cut deals with those three companies so they would withdraw their complaints.

This, according to one source connected to the cloud market, is part of the problem. "All deals seem to be secret so no one can know what the deal is, when it will happen or who it will affect. That is an alarm bell because all three complaints were over issues that had veracity and sector wide implications, yet without proper scrutiny who can know if the issues are solved."

It's almost as if Microsoft learned nothing – or maybe everything – from its previous antitrust court battles. ®

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[1] https://www.ft.com/content/be838956-7038-4179-8a1c-851b83048d5d

[2] https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/22/slack_versus_teams/

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[6] https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/22/slack_versus_teams/

[7] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offprem/paasiaas&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44ZEf5Ksz3ew@UCuildxssYwAAAAg&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

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[9] https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/02/nextcloud_onedrive_interview/

[10] https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/29/microsoft_german_antitrust/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/24/microsoft_365_search_outage/

[12] https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/24/microsoft_windows_driver_aukill_ransomware/

[13] https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/24/windows_frontline_cloudpc_sustainability/

[14] https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/21/cabinet_office_m365_from_google_suite/

[15] https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/30/microsoft_euro_complaints/

[16] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



Edge

steviebuk

I want them to stop their anti-trust bollocks with Edge. Making it, on Windows 11, a lot more difficult to change the default browser so non techs won't bother. When you do it asks if you're REALLY sure and that Edge is great. And when you use Edge to look for another browser it shows you at the top that "Use Edge instead".

Fucks.

Re: Edge

John Riddoch

Technically it's Bing which shows the "There's no need to download a new web browser" bit, although as that's the default search engine on Edge, most people will get it pushed into their faces.

Trust Edge. Edge is your friend.

Saturation point reached.

Sammy Smalls

They've probably hit, or are close to, their saturation point for Teams, so this offer doesnt really hurt them as much as an anti-trust suit might. They are far enough ahead that it will take anyone - Zoom, Slack, Webex - a long time to make any significant inroads into the Teams lead.

The other piece of the puzzle is the integration into Office. Sure, it's not bundled (maybe), but it will have the best Office integration. (or should).

What the EU should do is force an open standards integration. Now that would be fun. Mind you, we'll just end up with and ODF/DOCX situation.

End result..... no change.

ugh. I'm going back to bed.

More Income

Anonymous Coward

Haha - of course Microsoft will be happy to split Teams out of Office business packages. Then they can collect two separate licence fees and just say "the EU made us do it".

Re: More Income

Dan 55

The only thing Teams is bundled is the Microsoft 365 installer. As for the software packages themselves go, Teams and Office have completely different program directories and update methods. Office can be installed without Teams, and Teams can be installed on its own.

By design of course because MS knew this day would come. They're probably surprised they got away with it for so long.

Re: The only thing Teams is bundled is the Microsoft 365 installer.

Anonymous Coward

Errr.... Teams comes as part of Office for Mac and you aren't given a choice about which bits you want installed. (Home and Office Business V16.72)

Currently, I have

Excel,

OneNote

Outlook

PowerPoint

Teams

Word

I only use Word and Excel.

Re: More Income

Alan W. Rateliff, II

The only thing Teams is bundled is the Microsoft 365 installer. As for the software packages themselves go, Teams and Office have completely different program directories and update methods. Office can be installed without Teams, and Teams can be installed on its own.

My experience is exactly the opposite, and I came here to post what the OP said. First, I find that I have to install Teams for Business separately from Office 365 Apps for Enterprise. Secondly, Teams functionality is included as part of our Office 365 for Business license (with an extra $8 or something if you want the user to allow dial-ins for the meetings.)

Now, get away from the forced Microsoft account logins for Windows 11 and later releases of Windows 10 -- that will make me happy. (I know the BypassNRO trick, but end users do not and it causes a good bit of havoc.)

ComputerSays_noAbsolutelyNo

If you get a new computer with Win 10/11 bloat OS pre-installed, then the pre-installed Teams client is incompatible with a micros~365 business account.

So, you need to un-install Teams and then install (the other) Teams.

Thank you for nothing.

katrinab

You can have both, and use one on your personal account and the other on your work account. That I think is the idea, to keep work and personal communications separate. Of course, most people use WhatsApp for their personal communications.

Teams was bundled with 365!!!!

xyz

Blimey, I thought it was nailed on by a blind beagle.

I never met a piece of chocolate I didn't like.